Feel free to disagree all you want. Tell me where the so-called "younger" acquisitions are? Resigning Bonner?
I don't give a who they made offers to. At the end of the day, it's about the number of fish that you come away with is what counts.
Spurs made a commitment to "stay the same" and roll with the old heads. Now, they're paying the penalty.
Rest assured, the Spurs WILL get younger sooner or later. Either by their own volition. Or if the team keeps regressing in its current fashion, we'll all be looking at the propsect of seeing R.C. Buford in Seacaucus, New York, attending the annual NBA Draft Lottery, rather than the NBA Finals.
Bonner sucking was a flourish. You said we didn't have a 'stand pat philosophy', claiming they sort of went after Amir Johnson and resigned Matt Bonner. I said gamely going after Amir Johnson wasn't worth broken bricks and we already had Matt Bonner on the team, so how is that not standing pat? How is that not doing anything to add youth and talent? QED.
Ummm..... perhaps everything.
These are the same players that went on a 17-3 tear, no?
In a literal sense... yes. But these are the same players, literally, that were dropping loads in their diapers 25-37 years ago.
An irrelevant comparison.
It would be like discounting Houston's 22 game streak and citing their 24-20 start as the true benchmark.
They are capable of winning 17 out of 20. We've seen it as recently as this season. Same dance just a different tune at this point.
For all of the moaning and groaning, the Spurs did have a shot at winning every game of late, with the exception of the NO game.
What's with your redlining everything?
The point is the start of the season is ancient history. The time logged onto those old bones in the meantime isn't going to log itself off.
That's just it. The Spurs had a chance to win "down the stretch" of each of these recent losses - but they didn't. Very unSpurs-like.
Better? Variety is the e of life eh?
Good point. But it shows what they're capable of nonetheless.
no one on this team, except Ginobili occasionally, WANTS to take the jump shot, we work the ball around and get an open look for one of our "shooters" and it's glaringly obvious that they don't have confidence in their ability to hit it (at the success rate Pop demands?).
I've never seen a team look to make one more pass as much as this team does, or pump fake-drive-dish-repeat as much as this team does. and I blame it on Pop, he creates to much of a fear-of-failure atmosphere, we need Nellie to come in here and instill in our shooters that they are supposed to take those shots, and make or miss, the team wanted them to shoot, that was how the play was supposed to work.
you can't score all your points by getting to the bucket, it will wear you out, and it gets easier to defend each time, you have to be able coast and make jumpers, loosen the D back up, be flexible. and the Spurs can't seem to do that, and that's why we go on the long scoring droughts, because when we can't get layups, we still only want layups
That's the flaw in what you said.
You, as everyone else, notice that Spurs lack of youth and you draw the conclusion that it means that Spurs aren't trying to go younger.
Spurs have tried to go younger :
- They have kept their draft picks
- Sign or try to sign players like Amir Johnson, Bonner, Udoka or Roger Mason. Spurs have likely contacted other FAs this summer.
- Try to trade for Korver, Mike Miller and likely Ron Artest.
With these facts, I have a hard time at drawing the same conclusion than you. Spurs have definitely tried to go younger.
Ture, but not very "we aren't contenders anymore and can't make the playoffs"-like
true, our jumpshooting ability has regressed horribly.. too much dependence on the big three for offense will do that. We need more all around jumpshots not just low percentage threes.
I'm pretty confident we're gonna repeat. Call me a homer, but I'm a homer so it won't do any good.
Throwing $12M on a 21 years old player (Johnson) is more about adding youth and talent than throwing $10M on a 28 years old player (Scola).
And your argument about Bonner being with the team makes few sense. Bonner is quite young and Spurs liked him. You are saying that Spurs shouldn't have signed a quite young player they liked, only because he played for them the year before.
Rocket fan, I agree with you about the Pop part for sure!
Concur. The Spurs looked absolutely pathetic offensively down the stretch against the Celtics. It harks back to those awful mid or late 90's Spurs (before Manu and Tony), when the offense was simply as dull as mud.no one on this team, except Ginobili occasionally, WANTS to take the jump shot, we work the ball around and get an open look for one of our "shooters" and it's glaringly obvious that they don't have confidence in their ability to hit it (at the success rate Pop demands?). I've never seen a team look to make one more pass as much as this team does, or pump fake-drive-dish-repeat as much as this team does.
This is in contrast to the Celtics, who worked the ball around the perimeter with crisp sharp passes, drove the lanes for kickouts and took advantage of wide-open looks. Hmmm. In fact, it looked an awful lot like the Spurs used to execute.
Sorry dude. I understand what you're saying, but you're missing a critical element in your attempt to prove your point. Trying and doing two different things. I don't care about what they tried to do. Did they get it done? No.
I'll admit that bringing in Udoka was nice signing. However, it's not enough. There are other things they could have done. Why not keep D-Wash and invest time in him? I argue that he could have hardly done any worse than Stoudamire. I was against it at first, but now I see that bringing Scola in could've benefitted this team greatly. Or when they were rotating swingmen on and off the team for about 2 months, how about keeping around a guy like DeMarr Johnson? Could he have been any worse than Finley is now?
Sports, like any other corporate en y, is a results-oriented business. Tell what you've done to improve, not what you tried to do.
Finley, if you or a minion of yours reads this site, hear me:
You are a shooter! take the shot! make or miss, take it again! this fan believes in you! I'm sure plenty others do as well. Don't listen to the whiners and losers who say you are washed up and are the reason the spurs are losing. I don't want to see you hesitate, pump fake, or pass it off, when you get an open look, shoot it like you have seen the future and already watched hit nothing but net. the sooner you do this, the sooner the spurs start rolling again!
Sadly, I agree. They are saying mental, but it's most likely physical. This reminds me of my Eagles (NFL), who after a glorious stretch have sunk back into the pack. There are always excuses, bad calls, bad luck, injuries, but the performance just wasn't there for one reason or other.
However, this has been a grueling stretch, and they are no doubt worn down by injuries and a much-better conference to battle. Because of the nature of the playoffs and how the games are scheduled, I think we will be back in the mix and have as good a shot as anybody.
I can't wait to see the crow thread that will be created after all this
Finley, if you or a minion of yours reads this site, hear me:
You are a shooter! take the shot! make or miss, take it again! this fan believes in you! I'm sure plenty others do as well. Don't listen to the whiners and losers who say you are washed up and are the reason the spurs are losing. I don't want to see you hesitate, pump fake, or pass it off, when you get an open look, shoot it like you have seen the future and already watched hit nothing but net. the sooner you do this, the sooner the spurs start rolling again!
If Finley has to be told to do these things at this stage of career, it's a true indictment on how far he's fallen as a basketball player. Nothing lasts forever. The dude is 34-35 years old. His skills, or any pro athlete for that matter, will start to decline if you play long enough.
, Duncan isn't quite the same player he was 4-5 years ago. Doesn't mean he's no longer great. It just means as he's developed his game, other areas (mobility and quickness) are what they once were.
In Finley's case, we're all witnessing what I warned everyone about. This is what he's was becoming his last 2-3 seasons in Dallas - a one-trick pony who, if he's not hitting his jumpers, is of virtuallly no use to a team on the floor.
Not me.
I think that looking at what Spurs' FO tried to do is really interesting, especially when it comes to guess what is their state of mind.
Anyway, past is past and Spurs' FO can do nothing right now. We will see what these old Spurs will do this year and we will have months this summer to talk about what moves they should do or have done.
no! see, you have to cut that outFinley may not be what he once was, but the Spurs never expected or needed him to be that. all he has to do is make the shot when he gets an open look, and he CAN STILL DO THAT! but the hesitation and passing off tells me he doesn't have to confidence that a shooter NEEDS TO HAVE. so we got to start supporting him rather then criticizing and hating him
all you people who sit close to the action at the games, c'mon, show Finley some love
Throughout is career, Finley's been a solid professional and a good teammate. He was an athletic wonder coming out of Wisconsin. I often longed for the Spurs to have been able to get their hands on such a player - even back then.no! see, you have to cut that out
all you people who sit close to the action at the games, c'mon, show Finley some love
However, this is not the young Finley the Spurs brought to town. This is the thinking-man's version of Finley. The older, more mature version of Finley. The one-dimensional, jump-shooting player, who cannot or will not drive the ball the to cup, can't beat anyone off the dribble and cannot create shots for himself or his teammates. Sure the Spurs need him to hit shots, but when he's not hitting them, it's tough to justify having him on the floor because he doesn't bring much else. After all, he's not even an average defensive player.
In case you didn't know, Finley was as maligned in Dallas for EXACTLY these same reasons. However back then, his detractors pointed to his exhorbiant salary in relation to his pedestrian contributions. This isn't Finley hate (I think he's a good guy), but these criticisms were nothing new with Mavs supporters back then or Spurs supporters now. The fact is Finley has been in this declining comfort zone for about 5 years. It was simply a matter of time before his declining skills became noticeable to those who haven't watched him over the past half decade. Unfortunately, it's now come to a point where he cannot be depended on for consistent contributions from game to game.
Last edited by SenorSpur; 03-18-2008 at 03:13 PM.
but He's on our team, can hit the open jumper, and will have to if we are to have any chance at a repeat. so you gots to put your hate aside until then end of the season, and offer the Findog some encouragement
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