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    He's Manu Ginobili carina_gino20's Avatar
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    Manu is not THE standard here. Different players have different ways of dealing with a loss. And even though most coaches would probably want compe ors of Manu's caliber on the team, it doesnt make people who cope with a loss in another fashion losers. If that would be so, everyone on the Spurs rooster would be a loser.

    This is not the loser/ winner criterium, its the leader/ non- leader one.
    True. I wouldn't call them losers. They just have a different way of dealing with things. I know that Rob has said a lot of times, that probably the reason why he has so much success in the clutch is that he doesn't pressure himself too much. If it doesn't go in, "Oh, well."

    But you gotta love Manu's passion. He said on the Jim Rome show that he plays the same way with his friends during the summer. Sometimes, this nature can get the better of him because it gets to him mentally. But more often, it's what gives him the edge. The guy simply hates losing. That alone makes me keep on believing on this team.

    And then you have guys like Timmy, who like to pace themselves, and don't want to get too high emotionally, or too low. As Tim said, there are too many games in a season that if he subjects himself to too much of highs and lows, it will just be draining.

    I don't think it's wrong to go with either of these three. You have to do what you have to do to deal with the problems. You pick your life vest, put it on, and start swimming.

    Thanks for the article, Walter, and the translation, urunobili.

    P.S. And yeah, that loss to Dallas must have been REALLY terrible for him. I think it will still 'haunt' him years from now. Maybe not as much. But there are some regrets that stay with you. And after his turnover against Sacramento, they reported that he was cursing in Spanish inside the lockerroom and wouldn't talk to anyone but his wife.

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    ^^^ Good examples, I was gonna mention Horry and Timmy being the other two on the team who are probably aware of the losses and really love to win/hate to lose in different ways as well.

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    As I've said in the past, the only one with a HEART!
    I really don't think that is true, twincam. Tim Duncan is an example of a Spurs player with "a HEART".

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    This is not the loser/ winner criterium, its the leader/ non- leader one.
    I don't think is a leader/non-leader criteria, as you don't see Timmy posting blogs at 4:00am or Pop locking himself in a hotel room after a loss, and nobody would questions their leadership.

    I don't even think is a matter of how players cope with losses or how they express themselves.

    I think is a matter of personal demeanor.
    Sometimes fans see these reactions as signs that the player cares or doesn't care about losing a game or playing badly. For the fans is personal, for the players.... it is just their job.

    I am sure, that fans would like to see that after a series of bad games, the players are coming out trying to fix the problems. And this is what we are not seeing here. Manu highlighting that he is surprised of seeing teammates and rivals relaxed after a loss, I just his inner ego saying (as the fans say)..."For me is personal" . Props to Manu for being more in-synch with the fanbase out there. At the end of the day, this is the main difference that Manu has not only with his teammates, but also with the rest of the League.

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    Just be glad that Manu isn't typing up Larry Hughes like comments on his blog about the importance of winning.

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    He's Manu Ginobili carina_gino20's Avatar
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    After hearing what Manu had to say, I'd really love to hear Timmy's comment. Knowing Timmy, he won't volunteer anything. He's probably stewing somewhere, working up a storm inside him, and just biding his time until the next game where he can really vent his frustration.

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    I'm sure Timmy's focusing on the next 15 games just as much as Manu. But he won't show it. He's an island guy. Too mellow.

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    I really don't think that is true, twincam. Tim Duncan is an example of a Spurs player with "a HEART".
    I know the regular season probably doesn't matter much to guys like Tim Duncan anymore but I would like to see some kind of leadership from him on the floor once in awhile. It's been lacking this season. Sometimes it's almost like Duncan is content with looking like an over-the-hill Shaq and with the Spurs slipping the way they are that shouldn't be so.

    The only game I've truly seen him show any kind of intensity the last couple of months is the game against the Mavs a few weeks ago. You could see it in his body language and in his eyes that he was amped for that game and he was going to make sure the Spurs didn't lose. I don't see how it's wrong to bring that kind of intensity at least every other game no matter who your opponent is. He sure as should have brought that intensity against Boston.

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    Psst Manu, next time just call me. I'd love to help you get to sleep!
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    Manu's nature is very Argentinean IMO. Scola and Nocioni show the same intensity and I remember Team Argentina as a passionate bunch. I also remember some posters here criticizing Manu for being so down after de Sacto game. I remember something about not letting go...

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    Muy bien dicho, Campeon

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    Meanwhile our starting point guard has more pressing issues to worry about than our losing streak... like planning fancy birthday parties for his wife.

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    Meanwhile our starting point guard has more pressing issues to worry about than our losing streak... like planning fancy birthday parties for his wife.


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    Meanwhile our starting point guard has more pressing issues to worry about than our losing streak... like planning fancy birthday parties for his wife.
    Hahahahahahaaaa... Poor Parker no love even when he's trying to be a good husband.

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    Meanwhile our starting point guard has more pressing issues to worry about than our losing streak... like planning fancy birthday parties for his wife.
    Yeah, right. And if Tony wrote a column making veiled comments implying he's the only one on the team who cares about winning, clowns like you would go ape ripping him apart.

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    Meanwhile our starting point guard has more pressing issues to worry about than our losing streak... like planning fancy birthday parties for his wife.
    Big deal. Players have lives. I'm sure Manu would have celebrated his wife's birthday despite the current Spurs losing streak.
    It was just bad timing that the TP article came out the way it did on this forum

    (makes him look like he's off carefree and distracted, while Manu's having sleepless nights. )
    as a basketball fan, I really dont care to hear about how they celebrate their private lives in articles like that, but it'spretty innocuous stuff on Parker's part.

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    As I've said in the past, the only one with a HEART!
    So Duncan and Parker have no heart?

    Great

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    I know the regular season probably doesn't matter much to guys like Tim Duncan anymore but I would like to see some kind of leadership from him on the floor once in awhile. It's been lacking this season. Sometimes it's almost like Duncan is content with looking like an over-the-hill Shaq and with the Spurs slipping the way they are that shouldn't be so.

    The only game I've truly seen him show any kind of intensity the last couple of months is the game against the Mavs a few weeks ago. You could see it in his body language and in his eyes that he was amped for that game and he was going to make sure the Spurs didn't lose. I don't see how it's wrong to bring that kind of intensity at least every other game no matter who your opponent is. He sure as should have brought that intensity against Boston.
    Hes not a scream and get in your face player.

    Wish in one hand crap in the other, see wich fills up first but Duncans not wired that way.

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    Hes not a scream and get in your face player.

    Wish in one hand crap in the other, see wich fills up first but Duncans not wired that way.
    Who says Duncan has to scream or get in the face of anyone? He didn't do that stuff in the game against the Mavs a few weeks ago but his body language and demeanor in that one game was entirely different than any game I've seen all season. He clearly wanted to win and took it at the Mavs. I dare anyone to look at that game against the Mavs and show me another game where Duncan had the same kind of intensity in the last 3-4 months. What I don't understand is why is it such a chore for him to show that kind of intensity AT LEAST every third game? And with his team slipping and the West being so compe ive it shouldn't be that hard to up your game a little or show your team a little heart. That crap he pulled against the Celtics was abyssmal.

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    That was a nice write up by Manu. Its nice to hear him lay out a take on the current state of things and to feel his confidence that the Spurs will get this turned around. As he said, the schedule has been ridiculous to the Spurs, and the good and bad news is that there are 15 games left, but thankfully the Spurs are only a few games out of the top again.

    I have faith in Manu and the Spurs, especially Manu. The Spurs will be tough come playoff time.

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    Who says Duncan has to scream or get in the face of anyone? He didn't do that stuff in the game against the Mavs a few weeks ago but his body language and demeanor in that one game was entirely different than any game I've seen all season. He clearly wanted to win and took it at the Mavs. I dare anyone to look at that game against the Mavs and show me another game where Duncan had the same kind of intensity in the last 3-4 months. What I don't understand is why is it such a chore for him to show that kind of intensity AT LEAST every third game? And with his team slipping and the West being so compe ive it shouldn't be that hard to up your game a little or show your team a little heart. That crap he pulled against the Celtics was abyssmal.
    It probably has more to do with fatigue than Duncan coasting. He only started to struggle in the last week or so. Also I'm pretty sure getting beaten up by the defenses and not getting any calls during huge stretches takes its toll.
    That said, it's not that bad to jump on Timmy at times during regular season stretches, he's still human, I'm sure he could bring a little more intensity, because the game against the 76ers he just played soft, and he does sometimes forget to go in strong and plays too conservatively at times. I'm not complaining, cuz that's his game...but I've heard other non-Spurs fans have a problem with Tim seeming to play "passive" in some stretches.

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    Manu is a good writer, but he needs to get his sleep!

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    “You have to put on the life vest and start swimming”

    By Manu Ginobili

    San Antonio, USA. - 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12, 14, 15. No, I am not proposing a math challenge like Adrian Paenza, no crosswords nor anything to think too much: I simply referred to the days we had to play on March’s first half. 10 games in 15 days! I don’t know if it is my memory failing, but I don’t remember a calendar like this since I am in the NBA. It wouldn’t have been this hard if it wasn’t that from those 10 games, 6 or 7 were played at home, but it actually was the opposite, just 3 in San Antonio and the rest going through different cities. Totally Crazy!, but there’s not much you can do, you have to put on your life vest and start swimming.
    MANU IS MANU...SIMPLY THE BEST!!!

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    MANU IS MANU...SIMPLY THE BEST!!!
    Dude, not only your comment is bigheaded but you also refer to yourself on the third person? WTF?

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    I remember whottt, in his ever-present Scola hate, hinted at some point that Manu and Scola did not get along

    Must you tell a lie?


    What I said was...perhaps the Spurs asked Manu if he'd rather play with Oberto or Scola and his choice was Oberto.


    It could have happened...the Spurs have gone to Duncan and Parker for their opinions on players before.

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