All-NBA First Team

[mystargtr34]

wtf, your argument makes zero sense. your saying the celts would be middle of the pack in the west, when they are 23-5 against the west.

I would argue the Celts would still be on top of the West if they had the West schedule... having said that...

I do think it is a different animal all together playing the tougher West teams night in and night out ... rather than seperate swings out West where you can really analyse each opponent before your trip and focus tends to be much greater.

[JMarkJohns]

First of all ill argue the point about team record (ill move on to stats later because Pierce has a case)

Pierce is definately on an All NBA team... his team has been so dominant and he has put up solid numbers and has been the closer in close games in the 4th. He kept the team at 7-2 when KG went out and a team so dominant has to have more than one guy on the All NBA teams.

Carmelo has also been only the second best player on his team. Along with having the likely Defensive Player of the Year and are nearly 15 games worse than the Celtics (albeit with a tougher schedule).

On to numbers.... i dont like getting to technical because voters i dont think, generally even look at these sorts of things. But the Nuggets play at the fastest pace in the league, while the Celtics play at the slowest.

I dont think anyone has any idea of how hard it is to put up dominant 25-6-6 stats for example playing at as slow a pace as the Celts do. Less rebounds less scoring opportunities, basically less opportunities for every statistical category. Carmelo has also played more minutes

When you adjust for all this then Paul Pierce probably has been more dominant statistically then Carmelo ... and this isnt even taking team record into consideration obviously.

Firstly ill say that PER is not the be-all-end-all of a players statistical output , there are other factors but it is the only measurement that wont penalise guys like Garnett and Duncan whos teams play at snail pace against teams putting up stats like Phoenix and Denver because there teams take 20 extra shots per game.

Basically Pierce has a higher PER than Carmelo which is an adjusted measure based purely on statistics... and Pierce has Melo done here.

And we all know how voters like winning.

A question for you....

What sort of stats do you think Melo and PP put up if they swap places???

You make a strong case, but I don't think the voters are going to simply dismiss Carmelo's PPG average simply because of possessions, and winning is nice, but it's a statistical award and the raw stats (even FG% and FT attempts per) really support Carmelo.

Maybe Pierce gets 2nd-team, but I still take exception to Carmelo being left off.

[mystargtr34]

^ Fair enough i actually did have Carmelo in there first ... on the third team ... he is far more deserving that Camby ... but i cant see voters moving Boozer to Centre to accomodate Melo. Maybe they put him above Boozer all together... and maybe even Dirk.

But i cant see the voters not having Pierce there given that Pistons team from a couple years back had nearly everyone on the All NBA teams.

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from the eye test alone i would say 1st team is

Chris Paul
Kobe
Lebron
Duncan
Dwight Howard

2nd team

Nash
McGrady
Carmelo
KG
Amare

3rd team

Williams
Rip Hamilton
Pierce
Dirk
Chandler (since Yao is injured)

[td4mvp21]

Mr. All NBA First team Garnett has missed his last three shots in the clutch vs. the 76ers.

[dbreiden83080]

wtf, your argument makes zero sense. your saying the celts would be middle of the pack in the west, when they are 23-5 against the west.

They have 15 losses in the East, right now. The top seed in the West has 22 losses. They have played well against the West but they have the luxory of cleaning up against the worst teams in the league far more than the elite in the west do. They would be right there in the same battle with all these west teams fighting for a good seed if they were in the west. Please don't tell me you think the Celts are so good they would be on pace for 60 plus wins in this West this year???? You are 12-1 in your division against hacks like the Raptors, Jersey, Knicks, 76ers. We are 9-6 against the likes of NO, Houston, Dallas, Memphis sucks but not the other 3.

[Spuradicator]

Garnett should get the PF 1st team nod not only based on his stats, but on the Celts record. He had them rolling and has provided spark for that team all year long.

Anyone who argues Amare over Garnett is clearly a homer and doesn't understand that defense and intangibles are just as key as offense is.

I can't wait to see what Amare does without Nash on the team. Its going to be ing funny when he has to be the man on the team, create his own shot, try to play defense. Mediocrity is where the suns will be headed.

[JMarkJohns]

But it's a statistical honor. It's Basketballs version of "Most Outstanding Player" ... I agree that Garnett should get the first-team PF spot, but not because of the Celtics record. His stats are very good across the board. Maybe not great in any one category, but strong throughout. Amare is great in scoring and FG%, very good in rebounding, blocks and FT% and average to below average in steals, assists and turnovers.

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Also, Dirk did not develop a strip move.... he stole it from Karl Malone.

Then Steve Nash stole all his fancy passes from guys like Jerry West and Pistol Pete.

[JMarkJohns]

Then Steve Nash stole all his fancy passes from guys like Jerry West and Pistol Pete.

Pistol I'll give you, but I can't imagine players like West and Cousy were as undisciplined and unfundamentally sound as Nash is when he makes passes.

Like I said in another thread, Nash's greatness stems from his ability to perfect wrong. It works for him because defenders can't expect right.