The Spurs without Parker/Ginobili would still be a serious playoff contender but not a championship contender. The Spurs without Duncan would be neither of the latter.
But see, now you're adding additional constraints to the argument.
My point is that NOBODY else in the league can currently replace what Duncan does, no matter how you phrase the question.
You can't say the same about any other player on the Spurs. Actually, you could argue that the second-most irreplacable is Bowen, since the list of shut-down perimeter defenders in the league is minimal.
I don't agree for the '05 le.
Manu was incredible, Horry won game 5 after Duncan put up 26 and 19 and wore out. (Only Duncan could have those numbers and have it be considered a bad game.)
It was Duncan who took the team on his back in game 7. It was Duncan who drew the double teams and got the passes to Manu and Bowen. Pop said after that game that Duncan was just not going to let them lose. There's a clip of a time out where Duncan tells them to be ready for his passes. From the 6 minute mark in the third to the buzzer, game 7 was Duncan.
For '07, Duncan got us through the Playoffs and Parker took it in the Finals. We wouldn't have gotten to the Finals if not for Duncan.
It's a team sport, it takes all of them. But Duncan is the core.
you know what people said that about houston take ming out they are garbage
you know what they are still winning games
horry won the game by himself wowI don't agree for the '05 le.
Manu was incredible, Horry won game 5 after Duncan put up 26 and 19 and wore out. (Only Duncan could have those numbers and have it be considered a bad game.
It was Duncan who took the team on his back in game 7. It was Duncan who drew the double teams and got the passes to Manu and Bowen. Pop said after that game that Duncan was just not going to let them lose. There's a clip of a time out where Duncan tells them to be ready for his passes. From the 6 minute mark in the third to the buzzer, game 7 was Duncan.
For '07, Duncan got us through the Playoffs and Parker took it in the Finals. We wouldn't have gotten to the Finals if not for Duncan.
It's a team sport, it takes all of them. But Duncan is the core.
You can't sit there and predict that. What Duncan has done for this team isn't replaceable in the least bit. Every year he's been on this team we've won 50+ games (or the equivalent), we've won 4 championships, we've been the best road team, we've won 70% of our games (the highest out of ALL FOUR major sports teams), and he's one of the top 10 players of all time. Duncan isn't replaceable at all, and that's really, really unfortunate because he can't last forever.
All I'm saying is, Tim's been the obvious MVP for the past decade. The fact that Manu is being mentioned in the same breath when it comes to MVP is quite an accomplishment. I still think Tim is the MVP of this team, but I don't believe Manu is that far away from being considered just as valuable. Again, I'm not talking careerwise, we all know what Tim was in his prime, and the fact he's still this good today is a testament to how incredible he is. I'm talking only for this season.
No its always Tim Duncan. Think about it. If Tim leaves the team, Spurs are pretty much written off. If Manu leaves the team, they are still consdidered contenders. However Manu + Tim= 3 championships in the past 5 years.
How is Duncan the core when u cannot win without any of the 3? Sounds like they are all the core, and just for the record Manu DID outplay Tim in 2005 and for the 2008 regular season. We'll have to wait and see what happens in the playoffs.I don't agree for the '05 le.
Manu was incredible, Horry won game 5 after Duncan put up 26 and 19 and wore out. (Only Duncan could have those numbers and have it be considered a bad game.
It was Duncan who took the team on his back in game 7. It was Duncan who drew the double teams and got the passes to Manu and Bowen. Pop said after that game that Duncan was just not going to let them lose. There's a clip of a time out where Duncan tells them to be ready for his passes. From the 6 minute mark in the third to the buzzer, game 7 was Duncan.
For '07, Duncan got us through the Playoffs and Parker took it in the Finals. We wouldn't have gotten to the Finals if not for Duncan.
It's a team sport, it takes all of them. But Duncan is the core.
Final point: whenever Duncan has a bad game, everybody knows it, and dumps on him mercilessly (me included).
Whenever Manu has a bad game, nobody mentions it, or it's because Tony didn't get him the ball, or Pop screwed up, or he was too tired, etc. etc.
Understandable. I would definitely say he's had a better season than Tim. Ginobili is a very underrated player and he has developed into a damn good SG, probably top 5 in the league.
this has to be a joke
people said the same thing with MR DAVID ROBINSON
Yea that pretty much sums it up.
Oh comon thats pure bias, for god sakes your name IS td4mvp21. The Spurs without Duncan would still be a 7th or 8th seed. If you haven't noticed, everything no longer goes through Tim every possession and Manu is the team's playmaker. I'll never understand why fans of certain teams hate on one of their own, especially someone as great as Manu.
Oh my bad, I forgot he brought us 4 championships before Tim got here and led us to the best win % out of the four major sports. My bad!
When Manu has a bad game, he can hide a little bit where he's not getting in the way. When Duncan has a bad game, we still revolve around him (at least defensively) and we're still better off with him on the court.
That said, I'd still want Manu out there in the 4th quarter even if he was 0-16 for the first three.
it is because he scores most of his points in 4 quarter so must think he wins the game
it does not matter how well the other players play the first 3/4 of the game
For this year, THIS YEAR, if you take Manu off the Spurs, they are probably out of the playoff race in the West.
Tim has been the face of the franchise for the past decade and definately has had the better career, no one is trying to downplay his accomplishments. But we're talking about THIS SEASON people.
MR TIM DUNCAN has alot better teamates then David Robinson had
David never had a finals mvp player to play with him most of the time
What does that have to do with anything?
Lol, beat me to it but basically the same idea.
spurs would be the 7-8 seed
depends also on who you replace manu with
you replace him with pierce between 4-8 seed
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