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you mav "fans" make me laugh. now everyone here in dallas are sporting their mavs gear. you guys beat 3 winning teams in 15-17 games and you're on top of the world. thanks for the laugh.
Meaningless stat. No context. Where's the rest of the NBA in this scenario? Dirk could be #1....doubt it, but you dont know and neither do I.
you mav "fans" make me laugh. now everyone here in dallas are sporting their mavs gear. you guys beat 3 winning teams in 15-17 games and you're on top of the world. thanks for the laugh.
So he isn't good at throwing up desperation 3's........why doesn't someone tell me who the is?
Dirk is called a choker because of the us media.
I don't read or watch us media, i just watch games I don't understand why everyone call him a choker.
He's top 3-4 in the league the last 3 years.
He's been a better franchise player than kobe, KG, nash ...
I don't like the Mavs, but if they win a ring I'll be happy for Dirk (not this year, I want a repeat)
Its still better than getting blown out by the Jazz and then getting blown out by the suns, thanks for the laugh.
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I post as "Zeke" on free sticko. Some of these comments are hilarious. Warrior fan has sand in his vagina.
This is such a huge understatement that it really doesn't deserve to be answered, but here goes. Jordan is more than clutch. Yes, he missed some game winners. He was also practically UNBEATABLE in the playoffs. He was a guy who dominated the league without a verifiable center. His career AVERAGE in the playoffs: 33.4 PPG (#1 all-time) on 48.7% from the field, 6.4 boards and 5.7 assists per game with 376 career steals and 158 blocks. He scored over 30 ppg and still had a 2-1 assist to turnover ratio.
More esoterically, he was a player that could reach into his opponents chest and pull out their heart in the few instances where they were exposed and weak. He commanded and dominated the game from both sides of the floor. Perhaps most importantly, he NEVER took his foot off the gas, and if a guy was bigger than him or faster, he still outplayed them on sheer will to win. He also has 6 trophies.
But you're right. They call him clutch because he "hit a few game winners".
Maybe they call him clutch because he played nearly every second of every playoff game like his team was down 2 and needed a big play to win? Just maybe because he dominated the entire NBA for the duration of his career and took a franchise from ringless to one of the all-time great NBA teams?
Of course he's held to a different standard. He's a professional athlete and a SUPERSTAR. He's a former MVP. What the , do you want him to be held to the same standard as Shawn Bradley? Trajan Langdon? Are these the people you want Dirk's mettle to be compared against? That's the DEFINITION of being a team leader, an MVP, a star in the NBA. If Duncan had never won a le but still had the same numbers he does, don't you think people would be calling him out, too? , people STILL call him out and say he's soft or that he doesn't dominate games.To be honest, it's amazing that Dirk had to go through this run to sort of improve his image. Guys doing half of this would be getting much bigger credit. But because it's Dirk he is held to a different standard, just like the one ESPN showed. And I am sure that next time he misses a shot people will be all over him again.
Dirk is a fantastic player. Any team would love to have his versatility and offensive prowess. I would not think to label him a choker, per se. That is to say that he doesn't characteristically shy away from big moments in games. That said, Dirk's performance against Golden State last year was nothing short of de able. I saw no trace of a leader in him. I saw no desire to win. He played the whole series like he was just scared of the GS defenders, like a prize fighter who's been hit hard and is just holding on, trying to make it to the decision without being knocked out. Dirk took a 67 win team and dive-bombed them into the ground.
Was it all his fault? No, but he's the leader. Even IF he went off for 28 and 14 for that entire series, it's still on him that they lost. That's what being a leader means. The entire Mavs team last year was intimidated into losing to a good (not great) GS team that later got destroyed by the Jazz.
None of this means he's a choker. What remains to be seen is whether Dirk is a true winner at heart. And that's only going to come with a ring. He has one of the best PGs in the league, an all-star in Josh Howard, and some solid role players around him. At the very least, he has to LEAD the Mavs out of the West. And I'm just not sure I see that happening from Dirk.
Dude, nobody compares well in the clutch department to Jordan.
He was hobbling around on bone spurs and Avery couldn't play bigball because Dampier had a torn rotator cuff. The Spurs had the luxury of shutting Tony Parker down earlier this year with bone spurs because he was ineffective playing with them, didn't have his normal explosiveness and it wasn't April. Dallas didn't have that luxury, it was the playoffs and they weren't doing anything without him. And for that you call him 'de able"?Dirk is a fantastic player. Any team would love to have his versatility and offensive prowess. I would not think to label him a choker, per se. That is to say that he doesn't characteristically shy away from big moments in games. That said, Dirk's performance against Golden State last year was nothing short of de able. I saw no trace of a leader in him. I saw no desire to win. He played the whole series like he was just scared of the GS defenders, like a prize fighter who's been hit hard and is just holding on, trying to make it to the decision without being knocked out. Dirk took a 67 win team and dive-bombed them into the ground.
What remains to be seen is whether Dirk is a true winner at heart.
Well, then, among actives, I guess only Tim Duncan, Shaquille O'Neal, Chauncey Billups, Kobe Bryant and Dwyane Wade are winners. Consistently being among the elite teams in the league and being a top-10 players means you aren't a winner "at heart," whatever that means.And that's only going to come with a ring.
I agree he won't stop getting heaped on him until he wins a ring, but I would contend that the majority of criticism leveled against him is unfair.
Any player that takes the clutch shot is going to fail more than make.....that doesn't make them a choker.
Dirk is hardly a choker, but he is hardly a superstar either.
To me he is on Tmac's level a great STAR player but not a Superstar.
DD
Dirk is definitely a cut above T-Mac. He has produced consistently over the years, the only thing T-Mac has done consistently is get injured and force trades.
Hmmm......I wonder if you had a choice in a draft whom would you take...Tmac or Dirk?
I know Tmac has struggled in the first round, but the reason for that is not him...he has averaged around 30ppg in the playoffs, but has had some real questionable talent around him.
Dirk has had better teams....
Dirk is a far better shooter, but Tmac is a far better passer and puts more pressure on defenses.....
I would take Tmac.....
DD
I would take Dirk. He's not as injury-prone.
Both have missed about the same amount of time this year.
DD
Dirk is a superstar. He carried the mavs in the finals with no allstar with him
You can't compare him to tmac who haven't done anything in the playoff
It depends upon your definition of a Superstar.....
I don't think there are very many in the NBA right now.
Kobe, Duncan, Nash, Lebron
To me that may be it.....there are several STAR player, even hall of famers, but that doesn't make them a Superstar to me.
When I think Superstar I think all time great, Magic, Jordan, Bird, Hakeem...
DD
if Dirk isn't a superstar, neither is Nash
Magic,
I think Nash is better than Dirk and believe that if Cuban had kept them together the Mavs probably would have won at least 1 championship by now.
DD
Over the course of their careers, Tmac is far more fragile
lol, haterade
No, they would've kept losing in the second round of the playoffs because they wouldn't have had a guy who could defend the middle. And Nash would've continued to play pick and pop and the two-man game with all of the jumpshooters in Dallas. In Phoenix he's gotten Amare and Marion all those easy layups and dunks in transition.
Why was Tyson Chandler such a big back of suck in Chicago with Kirk Hinrich at PG but all of the sudden he looks like an actual NBA player with Chris Paul feeding him for alley-oops?
It's false to think Dallas would've gotten from Nash what he's done with Phoenix. And Nash hasn't gone as far in Phoenix surrounded by far more talent than what Dirk has around him in Dallas, which is considerable collection of talent but not equal to what Phoenix has.
but but but...Cuban went out and got the Nash equivalent in Kidd. Oh but that's right...Kidd is overrated isn't he. Nash shoots lights out compared to Kidd, sees the floor better and runs the team like a real PG. Kidd...Meah!
I was responding to a quote from endrity about Jordan being clutch because he "hit a few game winners."
So if that was the case, and the reason they lost in the playoffs last year, why did they make such a huge trade? A 67 win team and a healthy Dirk this year doesn't instill the Mavs FO with enough confidence that they'll win when he's healthy? Instead they bring in another player to essentially provide leadership.He was hobbling around on bone spurs and Avery couldn't play bigball because Dampier had a torn rotator cuff. The Spurs had the luxury of shutting Tony Parker down earlier this year with bone spurs because he was ineffective playing with them, didn't have his normal explosiveness and it wasn't April. Dallas didn't have that luxury, it was the playoffs and they weren't doing anything without him. And for that you call him 'de able"?
Dirk has had a team with sufficient talent to win the le. If you beat the Spurs in the playoffs, there should be no question that you can and SHOULD go on to win a championship. KG gets criticized and he had only one team that was even in the realm of gaining a le. Now that Dirk has Kidd on his team, that's a team that should win a le, even in the loaded West.Well, then, among actives, I guess only Tim Duncan, Shaquille O'Neal, Chauncey Billups, Kobe Bryant and Dwyane Wade are winners. Consistently being among the elite teams in the league and being a top-10 players means you aren't a winner "at heart," whatever that means.
I agree he won't stop getting heaped on him until he wins a ring, but I would contend that the majority of criticism leveled against him is unfair.
It's always about the Spurs, even when it isn't.
correct
No, they're equal heresees the floor better
so does Kiddand runs the team like a real PG.
Nash's defense...Blah!Kidd...Meah!
Kidd doesn't break down defenses like Nash does in the half court. Most of Kidd's talent is on the fastbreak.
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