Official Seedings Thread

[ChumpDumper]

Barely Beating the Kings without Ron Ron, Martin, Miller...Ouch!

Being a like you are every day of your life...Ouch!

[remingtonbo2001]

Parker's double-double helps Spurs secure third seed in West

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) -- Tony Parker had a season-tying 32 points and 11 assists as the San Antonio Spurs clinched the third seed in the Western Conference with a 101-98 victory over the Sacramento Kings on Monday night.

The victory, coupled with Houston's loss to Utah, gave the Spurs third place in the conference for a second straight season. A year ago they defeated Cleveland in the NBA Finals.

LINK: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=280414023

I give up. Seriously, at this point I don't care if we're 3,4,5 or 6 seed. Just get everyone back healthy. We'll be fine.

BTW, welcome back Brent.

[timvp]

Answer this:

If we win, the suns win and the rockets lose, would the standings look like this?

1.Lakers
2.Hornets
3.Spurs
4.Jazz
5.Suns
6.Rockets
7.Dallas
8.Denver

this could be great

Yeah but the Rockets chances of losing against the Clippers at home is about .00000000001%.

[Kori Ellis]

Just FYI guys, you can still finish 6th. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think i am.

In the event that Utah beats San Antonio on wednesday, Phoenix, Utah, Houston and San Antonio will all be tied at 55-27 after the season ends.

According to my calculations, the tiebreaker would go to ulative head-to-head record among all 4 teams:

Utah: 7-3
Phoenix: 6-5
Houston: 5-6
San Antonio: 4-8

That's right, the Spurs will probably wind up with the 6th seed if they lose on Wednesday. They need to play it like a playoff game.

Yes, that's already been posted in this thread by timvp.

[TampaDude]

Damn! even WORSE..Bye Bye Spurs you are out in the First Round if this even happens!

HCA will be huge this year...Even if Popazit says otherwise.

Actually, you're right...Spurs have a better division record than the Rockets.

[Newton]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=280414023

Clinched? I'm still confused.

[dbreiden83080]

I give up. Seriously, at this point I don't care if we're 3,4,5 or 6 seed. Just get everyone back healthy. We'll be fine.

BTW, welcome back Brent.

Brent needs time against the Jazz man did he look Rusty out there.

[FearDaFro]

Yes, that's already been posted in this thread by timvp.

My bad, Kori.

Hey, do something about by tagline, would you? It was nice 4 years ago, but it was kinda left there...

I tried to edit it but I don't think i can.

[greens]

I think Manu has to play on Wednesday. It'd be suicide to go into Utah with Manu playing his first game. A couple more days of rest won't do Manu much good. If he's going to re-injure himself, two or three days won't make a difference one way or another.

The playoffs start Wednesday.

I know. I agree completely.

The only reason I'm asking is because every article seems to indicate that Manu won't play till the playoffs...Pop recently said that Manu will play for sure in the first game of the playoffs, but he didn't say much about the Utah game.

I don't see any reason why he can't play this Wednesday. He said that he is completely fine...he had already asked Pop to even let him play on Sunday...now he got two more games off...I think he needs this game to get himself back into game shape...

[Kori Ellis]

The AP writer obviously doesn't realize that the tie-breaker rules change if there's more than 2 teams tied.

[Warlord23]

Basically the Rockets F-ed it up by losing both to the Jazz and Nuggets. I'd have taken the #6 seed and a matchup w/o home court vs Houston.

Now a #6 means Utah w/o HCA.
A #3 seed means Phoenix.

[Kori Ellis]

My bad, Kori.

Hey, do something about by tagline, would you? It was nice 4 years ago, but it was kinda left there...

I tried to edit it but I don't think i can.

Private message me and tell me what you want it to say. I'll change it tomorrow.

[G-Nob]

No scenario favors a struggling team. Lets throw it in the fire and see what happens. The second season brings a new mindset. I don't care who we play.

Let's get it on.

[DAF86]

Yeah but the Rockets chances of losing against the Clippers at home is about .00000000001%.

Man, i hope the clips can pull an upset. This could be the best picture for us. Not only 'cause we get to face the rockets in the first round but then we play a) an unexperienced N.O team or b) dallas with HCA and our biggets threats (suns and lakers) would be on the other side of the bracket

[Ice009]

Does anyone here ACTUALLY have a freaking clue about the seedings and 4 way tie scenarios? I've read a different take from almost everyone here.

Which one of you is actually certain about 4 way ties?

And can a non division winner get home court Vs a division winner? I don't think that's allowed even if the team has a better record than the division winner?

[TampaDude]

If the Spurs lose to the Jazz and the Rockets and Suns both win, there will be four teams (Spurs, Jazz, Rockets, Suns) tied at 55-27.

Figure that one out...

[Warlord23]

If there's a 4-way tie, games played between the 4 teams is what counts. In that scenario, it's gonna be:
#3 Utah
#4 Houston
#5 Phoenix
#6 SA

[Budkin]

I don't think the Spurs have clinched the 3rd seed.

Yeah I just read this and was like what?? This is bull right?

[FearDaFro]

Does anyone here ACTUALLY have a freaking clue about the seedings and 4 way tie scenarios? I've read a different take from almost everyone here.

Which one of you is actually certain about 4 way ties?

And can a non division winner get home court Vs a division winner? I don't think that's allowed is it even if the team has a better record than the division winner?

It's kinda simple.

If more than 2 teams are tied with the same record, head to head is seeded by the best head to head record against everyone involved in the tie.

And yes, a non division winner can have home-court over a division winner. It's happened multiple times over the last few years.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The ty thing is that the clips lost by double digits both times they've played HOU.



And the final game is in houston.

[Tigole Bitties]

Spurs & Suns win
Rockets lose

Spurs get 3rd seed
Jazz get 4th seed
Suns get 5th seed
Rockets get 6th seed

If this happened, it would be sweet ass sweet

[TampaDude]

If there's a 4-way tie, games played between the 4 teams is what counts. In that scenario, it's gonna be:
#3 Utah
#4 Houston
#5 Phoenix
#6 SA

Which is worse for the Spurs...the Suns with HCA for the Spurs or the Jazz without HCA for the Spurs???

[duncan228]

Does anyone here ACTUALLY have a freaking clue about the seedings and 4 way tie scenarios?

NBA.com (I didn't clean up the cut and paste, use the link to read the multiple tiebreakers easier.)

http://www.nba.com/statistics/playoff_picture.html

TIEBREAKER BASIS:
(-) Tie breaker not needed (better overall winning percentage)
(1) Head-to-head
(2) Conference Record
(3) vs. Teams ultimately at-or-over .500
(4) Head-to-Head ulative point differential
(5) vCoin toss (tied teams listed alphabetically above)
x-Clinched Playoff Berth | o-Eliminated from Playoffs contention | e-Clinched Eastern Conference | w-Clinched Western Conference
nw-Clinched Northwest Division | p-Clinched Pacific Conference | sw-Clinched Southwest Division | a-Clinched Atlantic Division
c-Clinched Central Conference | se-Clinched Southeast Conference
*-Games remaining vs.Teams Over/Under .500

Playoff Tie-Break Procedures

Ties for playoff positions (including division winners) will be broken utilizing the criteria set forth in subparagraph a. below (in the case of ties involving two teams) and subparagraph b. below (in the case of ties involving more than two teams), and the guidelines set forth in subparagraph c. below.

a. Two Teams b. More Than Two Teams Tied
(1) Better winning percentage in games against each other. (1) Better winning percentage in all games among the tied teams.
(2) Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if tied teams are in same division). (2) Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if all tied teams are in the same division).
(3) Better winning percentage against teams in own conference. (3) Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
(4) Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position). (4) Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
(5) Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in opposite conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position). (5) Better net result of total points scored less total points allowed against all opponents (“point differential”).
(6) Better net result of total points scored less total points allowed against all opponents (“point differential”).

c. Guidelines For Applying Tie-Break Criteria.
The following guidelines shall be used when applying the above criteria to break ties for playoff positions:

(1) (a) Since the three division winners receive the first three playoff positions, ties to determine the division winners must be broken before any other ties.
(b) When a tie must be broken to determine a division winner, the results of the tie-break shall be used to determine only the division winner and its playoff position, not any other playoff position(s).

(2) If a tie involves more than two teams, the tie-break criteria in subparagraph b. shall be applied in the order set forth therein until the first to occur of the following:
(a) Each of the tied teams has a different winning percentage or point differential under the applicable tiebreak criterion (a “complete” breaking of the tie). In this cir stance, the team with the best winning percentage or point differential under the criterion will be awarded the best playoff position, the team with the next-best winning percentage or point differential will be awarded the next-best playoff position, and so on, and no further application of the tie-break criteria will be required.
(b) One or more (but not all) of the tied teams has a different winning percentage or point differential under the applicable tie-break criterion (a “partial” breaking of the tie). In this cir stance: (x) any team(s) that performed better under the applicable criterion than any other team(s) will be awarded a higher playoff position than such other team(s); and (y) teams that had equivalent performance under the applicable criterion will remain tied, and such remaining tie(s) will be broken by applying, from the beginning, the criteria in subparagraph a.(1)-(6) above (for any remaining tie involving only two teams) or subparagraph b.(1)-(5) above (for any remaining tie involving more than two teams) and the guidelines set forth in this subparagraph c.

(3) If application of the criteria in subparagraph a. or b. does not result in the breaking of a tie, the playoff positions of the tied teams will be determined by a random drawing.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Which is worse for the Spurs...the Suns with HCA for the Spurs or the Jazz without HCA for the Spurs???

As sure as I was right about the Shaq trade, I'm telling you the Spurs have a much better chance of beating the Suns with HCA than the Jazz without HCA. The Jazz are on fire, they're amazing at home and the Spurs aren't equipped to step out of the gates and be forced into must-win games. Shaq made the Suns harder but the Spurs need those two home games to start the series to shake out the cobwebs.

[Ice009]

If there's a 4-way tie, games played between the 4 teams is what counts. In that scenario, it's gonna be:
#3 Utah
#4 Houston
#5 Phoenix
#6 SA

Are you sure? This is yet another different take on this.

All I freaking want to know is where the SPurs end up in a 4 way tie. Why does Houston finish 4th when we have the tie breaker over them?