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Last time you checked you checked wrong. Just because you don't know them that doesn't mean they're .
Ask wade, Lebron, Carmelo if they knew something 'bout Greece.
Last time I checked Germany's roster is complete besides Dirk and Argentina has a roster full of solid NBA players
Last time you checked you checked wrong. Just because you don't know them that doesn't mean they're .
Ask wade, Lebron, Carmelo if they knew something 'bout Greece.
Last edited by DAF86; 04-26-2008 at 11:31 PM.
I really underappreciate Dirk
I really underappreciate Dirk
I really underappreciate Dirk
Dirk is extremely talented. He can definitely put up big numbers on any given night. His basketball IQ is also pretty high.
But at the same time, he's soft as a sponge, not a leader, he flops a lot, and he's not clutch.
This is not hating. This is just my opinion at this time. There's the good and there's the bad, just like any other basketball player.
And please drop the whole he's the best player this or that. You play basketball to win. That's the ultimate goal. He has yet to win anything at any level. At least Malone and Barkley have 2 olympic gold medals to show.
When Argentina won the gold medal in Athens, the only player actually playing in the NBA was Ginobili. When Argentina beat Team USA in Atlanta a couple of years earlier, nobody played in the NBA, including Ginobili.
LOL you are a moron...Malone and Barkley were on the dream team with Jordan et al...put Dirk on there and pretty sure that team wins gold... off hater
Who cares? If he's so good he can take a bunch of unknowns, beat Team USA and win gold all by himself. That's what Ginobili did, and I'll be the first to tell you that Dirk is more talented than Manu.LOL you are a moron...Malone and Barkley were on the dream team with Jordan et al...put Dirk on there and pretty sure that team wins gold... off hater
However, he's soft and he can't lead... thus, he can't win.
Someone actually posted a link a while back putting all that to rest. Dirk has the highest efficiency rating in the 4th quarter in the league or something along those lines.
I don't know 'bout that, I read in a lot of places that Manu's the best numbers in clutch situations by far. He shoots like 70 something % with the game on the line.
Anyways, I don't think Dirk chokes in crunch time either.
Well, he should have had the game-winning basket in Game 5 of the '06 Finals, and would have if the officials hadn'd done D-Wade a solid on his last drive...
It's the nature of the beast. If a team is seen as an underachiever, its best player is going to take the lion's share of the heat. It might be unfair, but it's just the way it is.
People tend to forget how bad the Mavericks were before Dirk came along. He deserves a lot of credit for his part in turning that franchise around. So yeah, he is underappreciated. I'd take him on my team.
After the 2006 series with the Spurs my opinion of Dirk was pretty sky high. He was amazing in that series. However after the finals it was a little less as he was not nearly as clutch and i felt made bad decisions. His play against the Warriors though last year really hurt my opinion of him. That game 6 at GS, he played scared. HE was not calling for the ball at all, did not try to get his guys back into it, he looked like he wanted to be anywhere else but in that game. I don't feel he is much of a leader Dirk, not when it really matters. Don't feel he is mentally tough enough, i guess is my point.
Yet, he is the 3rd most clutch player in the league
http://82games.com/CSORT11.HTM
I agree he can be soft at times, but not overall and he's definately not a choker. 90% of games he steps up when it matters.
Making more points doesn't mean "more clutch". Take a look at his FG and 3pt % not very eye popping in my opinion.
Last edited by DAF86; 04-27-2008 at 12:04 AM.
Only player on the Mavs i like (or can stand).
Guy is gratious, funny, a good human being (as far as we know) and is a quality ball player. Anyone ever seen the episode of him on punk'd?
Classy guy. Cant say the same for the rest of the Mavs.
AFAIC the lack of leadership in that Golden State series is 100 percent on Avery. When he changed his lineup prior to Game One it was almost as if he was conceding that they couldn't beat the Warriors doing what they'd done all season. It was a devastating message to send to his team. I can't be too tough on any of the Mavericks players for that debacle. Avery Johnson put them in a position to fail.
This guy gets it.
Everybody wants to harp on G6 of the Warrior series, and he sucked in that game. But he also helped the Mavs avoid elimination on their home floor by taking over at the end of G5. Is he clutch or a choker? Neither label really fits.
By the same token, there's a former MVP who sucked ing ass in a pivotal game at home, and his team is about to get broomed the out of the playoffs. His rep will remain intact however.
Dirk was awesome in the final two games of the Finals, he was matched by Wade, and it's not really his fault that he was called for a foul when his stomach collided with Wade's fist.
Last time I checked Germany's team plays in second divisions in Spain, and in the not so famous German league.
Argentinas players, as well as Greeks, play in Italian, Greek, and Spanish powerhouses who usually win their leagues and are top contenders for the Euroleague.
No, Argentina had no NBA players in 02 and 04 but the fact that a lot of them made it shows the talent they had. Germany's players could player forever in international tourmanets and I don't think Patrick Femerling is getting a call for the NBA. Guys like Papaloukas or Diamantidis (Greece) are unkown in the US but they are superstars in Europe, who have simply decided that they'd rather be that, than role players in the NBA.
Getting this amateur team to medal 3-4 times like Dirk has is just as convincing to me as leading an extremely talented roster to a gold medal.
p.s Please tell me how the Argentinians were all over Dirk in 02 if you remember. They pretty much said "we don't care who shoots the ball if it's not Dirk". The space some of the other guys had was amazing, yet they couldn't make them pay. Please remind me, who was MVP of that tournament??? And this is FIBA, where MVPs usually go the best player on a winning team.
p.s2 Pau better than Dirk???? When Dirk singlehandedly killed a Spanish team in 05 that had 5 NBA players in them, that pretty much decided the argument. As well as Spain winning gold WITHOUT him in the final game.
Also, didn't another great player fail to show up in the second half of game 7 a couple of years ago (WC, round 1, 06 playoffs). I heard some critique, but still his rep is intact.
And please for the love of God, people gotta go back and look at the Finals in 06. Dirk was really good. How can you get down on him after what he did at the end of Game 5 where he produced TWO amazing clutch plays only to be outdone by free throws at the other end. How can you get down on him for an amazing game 6 (smth like 29 points, 17rebs). This is assanine at best.
Now you're just lying. The thing I most remember about that game (besides Manu's injury) was Wolkowski one on one defense on Dirk that allowed the other players to stay with their men, which it was huge, 'cause that German team had the reputation of making you pay when you double Nowitzki.
He just won it 'cause Manu got injured, so he couldn't play the final and obviusly Argentina lost. Ginobili'd had been the MVP of that tournament if it wasn't for the injury.Please remind me, who was MVP of that tournament??? And this is FIBA, where MVPs usually go the best player on a winning team.
Yeah I'm sure that one single game decides the argument.p.s2 Pau better than Dirk???? When Dirk singlehandedly killed a Spanish team in 05 that had 5 NBA players in them, that pretty much decided the argument. As well as Spain winning gold WITHOUT him in the final game.
Besides you're who brought Pau into the discussion if you want to place the Spaniard as the 2nd best player in international 'ships you should put him above Dirk not Manu.
Me too. Dirk is better than any of those guys. Even Manu.
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