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    You see Smeagol, its not that you're not allowed to say it, its that if you're going to spew bull maybe you should back it up with something that supports it?
    Link?

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    How is she gaining momentum in superdelegates if he is adding 1 or 2 more per day than her? I guess that's a new definition of political momentum I hadn't heard before.
    She's gaining momentum because she wasn't supposed to be winning any more primaries. She was done, apparently.

    Everyone was calling the nomination for Obama.

    Now, due to last weeks win, she's getting all sorts of NEW donations. Also, North Carolina's Governor endorsing her is HUGE.

    As a matter of fact, according to the DrudgeReport and CNN, she's closing the gap on Obama's lead in North Carolina, something that was unthinkable just a few weeks back.

    That's what I would call momentum.

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    Who the said she wasn't going to win primaries? She's going to win some still.


    Must be nice to make up .

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    I will say this: Limbaugh is a moron.

    If Hilary ends winning the nomination and there was any hint of a Limbaugh-effect, the conservatives will hate him forever. The Clintons are friggin' tenacious and their new campaign manager/style/machinery is brilliant. No way they let go of the general election prize if they get past the nomination. It doesn't matter how weak she looks compared to McCain right now or how divisive she is, I think the Clinton machinery is powerful enough to destroy McCain.

    Wouldn't it have been cool to see the Clinton machinery against Bush's Rove machinery? This is like basketball match-ups for political nerds.

    Regardless, it doesn't matter. If Hilary ends up winning, hopefully she'll listen to her husband, who is a bona fide economic junkie. And hopefully, her healthcare mandate nor her (and Obama's) desire to overturn FTAs survive through Congress.

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    Wouldn't it have been cool to see the Clinton machinery against Bush's Rove machinery? This is like basketball match-ups for political nerds.


    Errr...........they're batting for the same team....ask yourself, why isn't GHWB touring the world with Jimmy Carter or any other Democrat?

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    By AMIE PARNES & JOSEPHINE HEARN | 4/30/08 4:31 AM EST

    Capitol Hill insiders say the battle for congressional superdelegates is over, and one Senate supporter of Barack Obama is hinting strongly that he has prevailed over Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    While more than 80 Democrats in the House and Senate have yet to state their preferences in the race for the Democratic nomination, sources said Tuesday that most of them have already made up their minds and have told the campaigns where they stand.

    “The majority of superdelegates I’ve talked to are committed, but it is a matter of timing,” said Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.). “They’re just preferring to make their decision public after the primaries are over. ... They would like someone else to act for them before they talk about it in the cold light of day.”


    Obama currently holds an 18-13 lead among committed superdelegates in the Senate, while Clinton holds a 77-74 lead in the House. Asked which way the committed-but-unannounced superdelegates are leaning, McCaskill — who has endorsed Obama — said: “James Brown would say, ‘I Feel Good.’”

    .....

    McCaskill said that the campaigns have all but given up on lobbying her Senate colleagues because they know their minds are made up.

    Clinton backer Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) acknowledged that the lobbying is no longer as aggressive as it once was. “I think there’s a different touch now,” he said. “We’re staying engaged. Right now, it’s about making sure everyone still feels loved and wanted.”

    Montana Sen. Jon Tester — one of the Democrats who has yet to commit publicly — said the campaigns “haven’t applied much pressure” of late. “I haven’t heard much, and it’s been a few weeks,” he said.

    “All the low-hanging fruit has already been picked,” said one Democratic Senate aide. “The rest are waiting to see who the winner is or are doing what’s in their best interests. Most of the people that are remaining just don’t want to pick the wrong side.”
    Uncommitted superdelegates have many reasons for waiting to announce their support publicly, but chief among them is a desire to preserve their options should their favored candidate suddenly tank.


    Some of the uncommitted superdelegates are in tenuous electoral situations themselves, and they fear that they might lose a reelection fight if they miscalculate the presidential race. Still, these delegates follow the contest with the same enthusiasm of committed delegates, and they want to let their chosen campaigns know of their support. They will often place a courtesy call to the opposing campaign, a move that helps preserve a relationship while also ensuring that they won’t be lobbied further.

    Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) said Tuesday that he plans to remain uncommitted because of the fight to seat the Michigan delegates. He insisted that he’s still trying to decide who has “the best chance of winning” in November and that he honestly doesn’t know the answer yet.
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    Yeah - and she's getting them at such good rates compared to Obama its amazing no one is talking about this!!!!!

    Numbers don't lie! This is going to the convention!
    Obama closing in on Clinton's advantage among superdelegates

    WASHINGTON - Barack Obama is closing in on Democratic presidential rival Hillary Rodham Clinton's advantage among superdelegates, building on his lead in the primary race even as he faces troubled times.
    Party leaders are encouraging superdelegates to pick a side by late June to prevent the fight from going to the national convention in August, and it seems some are listening as the race enters its final five weeks of voting.

    Chelsea Clinton got a superdelegate for her mom while campaigning in Puerto Rico on Wednesday, just as Obama press secretary Bill Burton sent out a statement announcing the support of Rep. Lois Capps. The statement didn't mention the personal connection — Capps is Burton's mother-in-law.

    Clinton had a big jump start among superdelegates, many of whom have ties to the Clintons and backed her candidacy early on. But most of the superdelegates taking sides recently have gone for Obama, who has won more state contests.

    Obama trails Clinton by just 20 superdelegates, 243-263, cutting her lead in half in less than two months. This week, he picked up seven delegates to her four.

    The superdelegate chase is a key piece of good news for Obama in what has been a bad week. The Illinois senator is coming off a big loss in Pennsylvania, steeped in controversy surrounding his outspoken former pastor while Clinton fares better against Republican likely nominee John McCain in the latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll.

    But the problems aren't stopping his ability to win support from superdelegates who are likely to cast the deciding votes in the Democratic race.

    Rep. Bruce Braley of Iowa said he decided to endorse Obama even though his former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, has been creating waves by making controversial statements and suggesting that Obama secretly agrees with him. Obama denounced Wright in a news conference Tuesday and said the pastor does not speak for him.

    "That's been one of the most frustrating things about this prolonged campaign, is we seemed to have gotten away from the critical issues that started this campaign during the Iowa caucuses and now it's more about the side spectacle than the issues that voters really care about," Braley said. "I'm confident that he has taken this issue head-on. He has addressed it in a thoughtful and enlightened way."

    Superdelegates are nearly 800 elected leaders and Democratic party officials who aren't bound by the outcome of state contests and can cast their ballot for any candidate at the national convention. They are especially valuable in this race since neither Clinton nor Obama can get enough delegates to win the nomination through the primaries and caucuses held across the country.

    Obama now leads in the delegate count overall 1731.5 to 1597.5 for Clinton. A candidate needs 2,025 delegates to win the nomination. About 230 superdelegates remain undecided, and about 60 more will be selected at state party conventions and meetings throughout the spring.

    Clinton had stalled in drawing their support as Obama won more states than she, but Clinton won Pennsylvania last week and has been able to announce a new supporter every day this week — two on Wednesday.

    The Clinton campaign said Luisette Cabanas, vice chair of the Democratic Committee in Puerto Rico, came on board while the candidate's daughter Chelsea was campaigning on the island. Cabanas cited Clinton's policies, especially health care, as "the best by far of any candidate in history."

    "Today I endorse Hillary Clinton for president because of her strong win in Pennsylvania," Cabanas said in a statement. "She has shown a firm conviction and the character needed to lead the nation."

    Capps said it wasn't an easy decision to pick between Obama and Clinton. She has family ties to both candidates — Obama's spokesman is married to her daughter, Laura Burton Capps, who also worked in the Clinton White House.

    Lois Capps filled the congressional seat held by her late husband, Walter Capps, when he died suddenly 10 years ago. Bill Clinton had campaigned for Walter Capps and presided over his congressional memorial service.

    Capps said Hillary Clinton would be a great president and fill a dream for those who have fought for women's rights. But she said Obama's call for a change in Washington was the most important factor in winning her support.

    "Walter once said that 'we are strongest as people when we are directed by that which unites us, rather than giving into the fears, su ions, innuendoes and paranoias that divide,'" she said in a statement. "For years I have been waiting for a president that speaks to that vision. I believe Barack Obama may very well be that rare leader."

    Two of the most important superdelegates to sign on this week come from the states that vote next — North Carolina and Indiana, which hold primaries on May 6 and are the largest states left to vote. Obama got the support of Rep. Baron Hill of Indiana, while Clinton won the backing of North Carolina Gov. Mike Easley even though Obama is expected to win the state.
    I think plenty of people are talking about it.

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    Here's one way that Clinton is "winning loyalty" of superdelegates:

    Clinton: $2.3B in earmarks


    Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) has requested nearly $2.3 billion in federal earmarks for 2009, almost three times the largest amount received by a single senator this year.

    http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...008-04-28.html
    Last edited by boutons_; 04-30-2008 at 10:20 PM.

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    Promises of earmarks now and to come should come as no surprise for either delegate.

    I suspect promises of more federal $$ will speak more loudly than any lofty notions of "change," "experience," or "leadership."

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080501/...superdelegates

    Well if she's not gaining them at least she's keeping the ones she's already gotten....

    OOPS

    Her lead in SD is down to 17. But sure, I'm sure her miracle turnaround is right around teh corner. After all, she's a Clinton and is just setting up the comeback.

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    I hope those reports are true.

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    "DNC chairman under Bill Clinton: Unite behind Obama"

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...c_n_99572.html

    go away, , it's over.

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    (CNN) — The Democratic presidential race is tightening nationally, according to a new CNN average of several recent polls.

    Obama's lead is now down to 1 point over Clinton nationwide, 45 percent to 44 percent, in CNN's "poll of polls." That margin is down 3 points from another CNN poll of polls conducted two days ago. In that analysis, Obama led Clinton 47 percent to 43 percent. The margin is also considerably lower than an April 18 poll of polls that showed Obama with an 11 point lead.

    The poll of polls consists of three newly released national polls from Fox News/Opinion Dynamics, Gallup, and Newsweek. There is no margin of error on the poll of polls.

    Both the Fox News poll and the Gallup poll were conducted partially after Obama's former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, made a fresh round of controversial comments earlier this week.

    The Fox News poll also appears to show Obama no longer has an edge over Clinton among independent voters. In head-to-head match ups, presumptive Republican nominee John McCain wins independents by a 4 point margin over Clinton (42-38 percent) and by a 10 points over Obama (47 percent to 37 percent).

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    Doesn't matter what the polls say, that's media spin....Obama leads among delegates and the pool of superdelegates continues to fall 2-1 in his favor...

    Texas superdelegate John Patrick endorsed Barack Obama today, citing his record of standing up for working families and opposing trade deals that fail to protect American workers.

    ``snip``
    Patrick is a Democratic National Committee member, a 31 year member of the United Steelworkers (USW) as well as a Vice President of the Texas AFL/CIO. The endorsement brings the total number of superdelegates to endorse Barack Obama to 249. Barack is now 283 delegates away from securing the Democratic nomination.
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    At this rate, Hillary should catch Obama by - never....

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    (CNN) — The Democratic presidential race is tightening nationally, according to a new CNN average of several recent polls.

    Obama's lead is now down to 1 point over Clinton nationwide, 45 percent to 44 percent, in CNN's "poll of polls." That margin is down 3 points from another CNN poll of polls conducted two days ago. In that analysis, Obama led Clinton 47 percent to 43 percent. The margin is also considerably lower than an April 18 poll of polls that showed Obama with an 11 point lead.

    The poll of polls consists of three newly released national polls from Fox News/Opinion Dynamics, Gallup, and Newsweek. There is no margin of error on the poll of polls.

    Both the Fox News poll and the Gallup poll were conducted partially after Obama's former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, made a fresh round of controversial comments earlier this week.

    The Fox News poll also appears to show Obama no longer has an edge over Clinton among independent voters. In head-to-head match ups, presumptive Republican nominee John McCain wins independents by a 4 point margin over Clinton (42-38 percent) and by a 10 points over Obama (47 percent to 37 percent).
    The tide is indeed turning favorably for Hillary. Make no mistake about it.

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    The tide is indeed turning favorably for Hillary. Make no mistake about it.


    Indeed. This is really going in her favor now.

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    Hillary's and Bill's little boat is sinking and no one can save it, not even continued references to badass Rev Wright.

    It was said many weeks ago that Hillary would have to win ALL remaining primaries, and 65%-35%, and PA was not that, nor will the others be 65%-35% Hillary.
    Wish that she would have conceded already.

    Originally, I supported her. I despised her "Southern" strategy.

    After all the contests are over, the remaining uncommitted superdelegates will have to decide to vote for or against the

    1. total delegate leader (not counting the remaining uncommitted SDs)
    2. the pledged delegate leader
    3. the popular vote winner (by any reasonable standard)
    4. the person who won the most contests
    5. the person who won the most states
    6. the person who has the most donors
    7. the person who raised the most money.

    I think that he will get at least 40% of the remaining uncommitted SDs with that argument.

    SDs know that selecting somebody other than the person who won items 1-7 will create a huge backlash among Obama supporters, especially AAs.

    They won't want to risk that.

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    Should Clinton's Swing State Edge Be A Factor?

    WASHINGTON (CNN) – There are new polls suggesting Hillary Clinton might fare better against John McCain in three key Electoral College battleground states in November than Barack Obama. These are states the two parties will be fighting over desperately in the general election – Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania.

    The polls are snapshots and are certainly not conclusive evidence that she would in fact be a more formidable candidate against McCain in those states than Obama. A lot, of course, can change between now and November. But the polls are significant because they could influence those still-undecided superdelegates – and perhaps even some decided superdelegates who can change their minds.


    The Quinnipiac University poll shows Clinton is currently ahead of McCain in Florida, 49 percent to 41 percent. In the same poll, McCain is statistically tied with Obama, 44 percent to 43 percent.

    In Ohio, the poll shows Clinton ahead of McCain, 48 percent to 38 percent. McCain is statistically tied with Obama, 43 percent to 42 percent.

    In Pennsylvania, Clinton is ahead of McCain, 51 percent to 37 percent. Obama is also ahead of McCain in this state, but by a slightly smaller margin — 47 percent to 38 percent.

    As you know, Clinton defeated Obama by about ten points in both Ohio and Pennsylvania. In Florida, there was no campaigning because the state had moved up its primary against Democratic Party rules. But all the candidates’ names were on the ballots, and Clinton won decisively.

    Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania will see a lot of campaigning in the months ahead. McCain is already spending lots of time there – as he should if he wants to be president. So should these latest polls be a serious factor in the minds of superdelegates?

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    This is going to be an awesome convention. I can't wait.

    Our convention, in Minneapolis (I say OUR -- but I'm not an "official" Republican) is going to be a snooze.

    But the Democratic convention is going to be awesome. I wish I could be there.

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    Obama the Choice of Those Who Know Both Clinton and Obama Best

    Posted May 2, 2008 | 01:22 PM (EST) Endorsements usually do not mean much, and have multiple, and sometimes unclear, motivations. Sometimes just old history with the person trumps other considerations such as nation and party.

    Those hiring people for jobs do reference checks with former co-workers and former employers. Why? They have the best information about how the potential employee performs at their jobs, and provides the best prediction of how they will perform in their new job.

    United States Senators are the only ones who have worked with both Obama and Hillary in the same capacity and in the same setting. One might have expected the Clintons' long history that antedated Hillary's Senate career with many of these members to have won their support. Moreover, they have worked with her longer in the Senate because her tenure is longer, as the Clintons continually point out. They know her
    better.

    These are the people who can best judge the claims to judgment, competence experience, likely success and unifying capacity. Making any choice in this situation is difficult because all know that they are going to have to work together in the future with one of them as a colleague and the other as president.

    By 18-13 United States Senators have endorsed Barack Obama.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-a...tml?view=print

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    I guess that is "up to now".



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    lol nice video.

    I love how PeeWee posts about articles with polls that declare the polls meaningless within the articles but then go on to say it MAY sway super delegates.

    We've been hearing this for MONTHS yet Hillary has been losing in the super delegate race. Man, I had my defense all ready to go yesterday when Clinton actually led in super delegate announcements due to the NY state add ons but instead of posting about that - which is actually substantive - peewee posts an article about polls and how they MAY give her more SDs.

    Word in DC is that most have already made up their mind but are waiting for June to announce. Its over.

    OVER!

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    lol nice video.

    I love how PeeWee posts about articles with polls that declare the polls meaningless within the articles but then go on to say it MAY sway super delegates.

    We've been hearing this for MONTHS yet Hillary has been losing in the super delegate race. Man, I had my defense all ready to go yesterday when Clinton actually led in super delegate announcements due to the NY state add ons but instead of posting about that - which is actually substantive - peewee posts an article about polls and how they MAY give her more SDs.

    Word in DC is that most have already made up their mind but are waiting for June to announce. Its over.

    OVER!
    so are obama's presidential aspirations..over

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    so are obama's presidential aspirations..over
    Wanna put your money where your mouth is?

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    Wanna put your money where your mouth is?
    He may win the nomination but he'll never win the general election.

    Hillary in 2012!!!

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