Now, Is Manu an All-Star? He'll have to be a coaches selection, but he ought to be

[Rick Von Braun]

Or 20 shots, 30 points per game.

Nope, you cannot extrapolate that far... there is too much noise.

In basketball terms, at 20 shots/game there would be many changes:

• the Spurs offense would be different
• other teams would key on Manu, making him less effective (albeit he would probably drastically increase his assists, since he is a great passer)
• he would have to play 38+ minutes/game, which is not clear he could sustain in 82 games.

You could extrapolate an increase of 30-40% with some level of accuracy, but a 100% increase is too difficult to predict.

It is not required anyway. If the Spurs can get 57+ points from Duncan, TP and Manu on average (assuming the rest of the team remains roughly the same in terms of contributions, defense, etc.), they would be virtually unbeatable.

I am not kidding... I have done some statistical projections and they could probably challenge the Bulls 72 wins record.

[Brodels]

BTW, if Manu was allowed to take 27 shots a game like Kobe don't you think Manu would average a measely 27pts and shoot 40%.

Manu takes 14 shots/game, but shoots 48%.

Manu is doing great and his efficiency is impressive, but you have to consider his situation when comparing him to Kobe.

It's not as simple as thinking that Manu could score as many points if he shot the ball as many times as Kobe.

Manu almost never gets doubleteamed. Opposing defenses are simply less concerned with him than they are with Duncan. It's arguable that Manu is actually the third topic of discussion when other teams are developing defensive game plans.

I'm not a big Kobe fan, but it's a fact that he does what he does with opposing defensed keyed on stopping him. When other teams play the Lakers, the first concern is how to stop Kobe. And the defensive game plan is centered on that.

Kobe, for all of his problems, is a very talented franchise player. That's why he gets 27 shots per game. Manu is a very good support player. He's never going to be any better than a support player as long as he plays on a decent team. That's not a knock on Manu, it's simply a realization that you can't really expect Manu to perform like Kobe if he got more shots.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

Care to extrapolate on those statistical projections Rick?

[2centsworth]

Manu takes 10 shots/game. Now, that's amazing efficiency

i think you're right. Manu is at 10 shots a game.

[IceColdBrewski]

Manu deserves to be in the All Star game but the folks around here are too enamored with riding Parker's jock to realize that. At least Manu would give a good effort and make us look good. God only knows what might happen if you put Parker in there.

[1Parker1]

God only knows what might happen if you put Parker in there.

Yea, he may actually put up the 20 pts and 6 assists, he's been averaging over the last 10 or so games. , he may even score the winning basket, like he did against the Clippers, just two nights ago.

[IceColdBrewski]

Yea, he may actually put up the 20 pts and 6 assists, he's been averaging over the last 10 or so games. , he may even score the winning basket, like he did against the Clippers, just two nights ago.

Or he just might disappear like he does in big playoff games.

Sorry. But Manu is the second best player on this team. He goes balls-out on every play and never quits or gets down on himself. I'd rather have him representing us than Parker.

[ducks]

tp has proved he is the second best player so far this season
manu has not

[IceColdBrewski]

tp has proved he is the second best player so far this season
manu has not

The day Parker scores more than 47 points is the day I'll believe that. From where I'm sitting, Manu finally had the chance to prove himself with a flu-ridden Parker on the bench.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

tp has proved he is the second best player so far this season
manu has not

I beg to differ, I believe Friday was proof of what Manu can do if he's given enough freedom to perform. TP has had too many ups and downs this season considering he has been Popovich's second offensive option. Now, I'm not saying TP is worst than Manu, however, it does seem to me that Manu puts more ethusiasm and heart into his play than TP does. Just my humble opinion

[IceColdBrewski]

I beg to differ, I believe Friday was proof of what Manu can do if he's given enough freedom to perform. TP has had too many ups and downs this season....

This season??? How bout his whole career thus far.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

This season??? How bout his whole career thus far.

I didn't want to over do it! lol

[Dartherus]

tp has proved he is the second best player so far this season
manu has not

Care toe xplain how TP has proven it? Manu stats are better (check at NBA.com, Manu now has better even stats in PPG (15.7 for Manu and 15.5 for Tony), the Tony's major strenght), Manu this season and the past season, had better Efficiency ranking stats (more complete stats than just scoring), had better "+/- stats" (the stats counting the point Spurs scored and the received during the minutes the player is in action).

FYI, Manu has had the second best stats in Efficiency Ranking and '+/- points' in these 2 latest seasons, behind Duncan and AHEAD Parker, for instance, in the last season , Shaq and Kobe leade those stats for the Lakers, does this mean something to you?

I would also ask you...scoring option implies always beeing a better player or a more important one? would you consider Dennis Rodman in the jordan's Bulls beeing less important to other Bulls' role players just because he was scoring less than those role players?

[IceColdBrewski]

Care toe xplain how TP has proven it? Manu stats are better (check at NBA.com, Manu now has better even stats in PPG (15.7 for Manu and 15.5 for Tony), the Tony's major strenght), Manu this season and the past season, had better Efficiency ranking stats (more complete stats than just scoring), had better "+/- stats" (the stats counting the point Spurs scored and the received during the minutes the player is in action).

FYI, Manu has had the second best stats in Efficiency Ranking and '+/- points' in these 2 latest seasons, behind Duncan and AHEAD Parker, for instance, in the last season , Shaq and Kobe leade those stats for the Lakers, does this mean something to you?

I would also ask you...scoring option implies always beeing a better player or a more important one? would you consider Dennis Rodman in the jordan's Bulls beeing less important to other Bulls' role players just because he was scoring less than those role players?

You're waisting your time. Most people on this forum choose to ride Parker's jock for some strange reason. Those of us with half a brain already know that Manu is the man.

[ducks]

I beg to differ, I believe Friday was proof of what Manu can do if he's given enough freedom to perform. TP has had too many ups and downs this season considering he has been Popovich's second offensive option. Now, I'm not saying TP is worst than Manu, however, it does seem to me that Manu puts more ethusiasm and heart into his play than TP does. Just my humble opinion

tp has been more constient then manu this season

tp could go for 47 points
one outing does nothing

tp was SICK When they played the suns
first time the spurs played suns tp won the game for them NOT MANU

[ducks]

you know ice as much as you hate tp so called disappear acts

mcnabbs has had a quarterback rating of 59 in the big game in the playoffs
today he played better
but having one good game in 4 tries wow

tp has done better then that

[ducks]

This season??? How bout his whole career thus far.

jason kidd said tp did more then what he could do at his age

I guess he knows less then you

[ducks]

The day Parker scores more than 47 points is the day I'll believe that. From where I'm sitting, Manu finally had the chance to prove himself with a flu-ridden Parker on the bench.

if he scored 47 points you would say he is a big selfish hog he is a point guard he is suppose to pass and set up his teamates

he can not win with you no matter what he does
you will think he sucks

[ALVAREZ6]

you know ice as much as you hate tp so called disappear acts

mcnabbs has had a quarterback rating of 59 in the big game in the playoffs
today he played better
but having one good game in 4 tries wow

tp has done better then that

All you can mention is crap that bashes on Mcnabb, don't get jealous because the Cowboys didn't even make the play-offs in how many tries????????

[Brodels]

The day Parker scores more than 47 points is the day I'll believe that. From where I'm sitting, Manu finally had the chance to prove himself with a flu-ridden Parker on the bench.

Of course, we all know that a player's ability to score more than 47 points in one game is the best indicator of how good they are.

I mean, it's clear that Richard Jefferson > Tim Duncan. After all, Jefferson does average more points.

[ducks]

who cares about the losser cowboys?

wow mcnabb did not disappear and had a better quarterback rating then 59 in a big game unlike the last three years



as much as you get on tp for his disappearing acts I would think you would more to your so called great quarterback. and he is the number man for eagles tp is number 2
or you say 3
being number three spurs should not count on number 3 guy just number one and number 2

parker cleary is the second most important player on the spurs
he is the point guard that makes the engine go

[ALVAREZ6]

who cares about the losser cowboys?

wow mcnabb did not disappear and had a better quarterback rating then 59 in a big game unlike the last three years



as much as you get on tp for his disappearing acts

How many times are you gonna mention this, seriously, no matter what, you still are the same big re .

And.....ONCE AGAIN, I never said anything about parker, i am a TP fan.

[ducks]

Manu is an All Star in the Big Games and TP in the Small Games

Manu was the Top Scorer vs Miami (29), Seattle (21), Suns (48), Wolves (22) and Sacramento (18), 5 of the Top Teams, plus Denver and GSW

Others Big games scores: Kings: 24, Dallas: 22, Phoenix 13, Houston 13, Seattle 18, Detroit 18, Dallas 11, Lakers 18, Lakers 13 (Garbage)

Big Numbers for Big Games

tp job is not always to score he is to setup his teamates
manu is to score

[ducks]

How many times are you gonna mention this, seriously, no matter what, you still are the same big re .

And.....ONCE AGAIN, I never said anything about parker, i am a TP fan.

I was talking to ice

[MaNuMaNiAc]

tp has been more constient then manu this season

tp could go for 47 points
one outing does nothing

tp was SICK When they played the suns
first time the spurs played them tp won the game for them

First of all, I'm curious about how you might think that flu-like symptoms justifies the game TP had against the Suns, and second I seem to recall Manu having a bruiced left quadricep and nearly spraining his ankle during the second quarter. So please don't come to me with lame excuses about how sick TP was. PLUS I really don't see how you can say that TP has been more consistant this season, taking into account that dry-spell he went through at the beginning. Furthermore, I don't get where you are coming from when you say that TP could go for 47. He's been Popovich's second offensive choice since last season, and has never come close to 40, let alone 48. I'd stick to the facts if I were you.