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How sweet would it be if Horry hit the game winner in NO on Monday, ala Mario Elie's "kiss of death" in Game 7 in Phoenix in 1995.
#1. The way West went down was nothing like the way Duncan went down.
#2. They were cheering a hard foul, the end result of a hard foul should be that a player goes down.
#3. IF you don't cheer your players giving hard fouls, you won't have players giving them...you'll have players receiving them.
I can't believe so many Spurs fans can't tell what a ing back spasm is. And think kissing the ass of some guy who has been leveling the out of Parker and Manu all series, and saying these mother ers every time he runs down the court, is more important than the Spurs player who sent a message to the other team(as well as his own teamates about what kind of at ude it takes to go into a hostile arena and win a game 7).
I can tell you what a back spasm is...
It's something that won't cause West to miss even a second of PT he would normally get in game 7.
And you know what looked like it happened to him?
It looked like he got the breath knocked out of him...that's a hardly a career or series ender there...and at no time did it appear to be one.
#4. Watch Horry's reaction to the chants...he is anything but offended by them.
Go act indignant on one hand and cheer go Spurs go in the other...and realize if the team changes it's at ude and hardens up, which is what it will need to do to win game 7....
Realize not only did you not contribute to them doing that...you in fact opposed it...you wee embarrassed by it.
Remember that as you celebrate, Spurfan.
You don't deserve Robert Horry...he liked those chants, go back and watch the game.
He's also the only guy on this team that knows what it takes to go into a someone elses arena and win a game 7.
Cheering Robert Horry was more important than the status of David West...and I'm just thankful there were so many Spurfans there willing to send the right message that they are behind their team...as they go into a hostile arena for this game 7.
Last edited by whottt; 05-16-2008 at 10:52 AM.
How sweet would it be if Horry hit the game winner in NO on Monday, ala Mario Elie's "kiss of death" in Game 7 in Phoenix in 1995.
Horry should have told the crowd to simmer down....
chris paul is a pussy, eh?
yes or no?
that's what i thought.
what a pussy.
LOL...Horry was standing still and West jumped back into him.
Thats like blaming a telephone pole for the accident when a drunk slams into it.
Exactly...
I do hope West will be okay, though...we want the Hornets at full strength when we beat them on Monday night.
No...Horry needs to come on here and tell you, and FWDT, to shut the up becuase you guys are ing idiots.
Those guys are real fans, they know the ins and outs and have had more to with the Spurs crowd winning them games, then bandwaggoners like you and FWDT will ever have on yoru best day, you guys probably think a smattering of applause encourages yoru team...they know what a hard foul is, they know you don't win game 7 without them...and they know the Spurs are going to have to give them. And they know Horry is hte one guy old school enough to be thinking about that right now.
They know that because they've been watching games since the 70's when they were a hundred times more physicial and brutal than they are now.
IF it was up to you guys, ya'll had have Horry drop to his knees and kiss West's ass over a ing back spasm.
Seriously..turn in your card...you don't deserve team that wins a game 7 on the road.
I can probably get you directions to West's house so you guys can line up to kiss ass...it seems to be what's important to you. Whatever makes you feel better...
Dumbasses.
I didn't actually SEE the way West went down until this morning -- there was no replay of the screen in the building. What I saw was a player down on the floor for the duration of a timeout with an apparent injury. I don't know -- call me crazy for respecting the game and the players.
The end result of a hard foul should be that a player goes down, I agree with that. The problem I had was that the chant came up well after it was apparent that West wasn't just down, but that he was injured. I whole-heartedly support strong, hard fouls, but I'm not going to chant the name of a guy who just gave a hard foul when it's apparent to me that the player who suffered the foul is injured.
There are two separate issues here, though not surprisingly, you choose to conflate them to make whatever nonsensical point suits your arguments. I agree that hard fouls are important in a playoff series and I agree that the Spurs needed to send some sort of a message with a physical playoff foul -- and Horry did that. I can support the foul without chanting Horry's name while an opposing player is down on the floor injured. In fact, if you had bothered to read the rest of my post, I wholly defended Horry's play.
Yeah, I'm not going to buy that causal connection. Horry wasn't been cheered before he gave the hard foul and I don't think, if presented with the situation again, that he's going to consider giving a hard foul in light of whether or not he'll be cheered by Spurs fans. If he does, then he needs to find another line of work. Obviously, Horry has been a fabulous basketball player, so I'm guessing that his own opinions and those of his teammates are far more significant to his calculations than whether he'll be cheered by 18,000 people who'll never be in that position themselves.
Again, I don't have any problem with the Spurs imposing hard fouls. I don't have any problem with Horry's play on West. I don't have any problem with the Spurs making a point of putting a hard foul or two on West. And I do think putting hard fouls on West, Chandler, Paul, Peterson, Stojakovic, or any other Hornet is justified by the physical play that has been visited on the Spurs during this series. I applaud Horry's actions, too. I just thought it was base to do that while West was laying on the floor injured. Time and place for everything; that wasn't the time for it.
Fair enough. You're dealing with the benefit of hindsight, though. In the moment, West was laid out prone on the floor and didn't move much through the duration of a long playoff timeout without any replay having been shown to those who were in the building. I'm not sure how you could have been in that moment and known immediately that the injury wasn't at least possibly something serious.
Again, I think there's a big difference between saluting physical play and acting boorishly while a player is down on the floor injured. You don't. That would be among the differences between you and me.
Embarassed by the reaction of fans, not embarassed by the play of the Spurs or Robert Horry in particular. I don't have to chant Robert Horry's name in that moment to show that I'm behind my team.
And frankly, I'm content in the knowledge that I support the Spurs as passionately as anyone.
Hey, everyone. Maybe yous guys can help me. I'm looking for SpursTalk.com but all I see is people lining up by the thousands to kiss David West's ass because he was playing in an NBA playoff game with an existing injury and then aggravated that injury even more. Jesus ing Christ. I'm trying to feel sorry for West but I just can't get past the part where HE PLAYS FOR THE OTHER ING TEAM. I can't believe this has skyrocketed past "Gee golly, I hope he's okay".
Yes, among all the things I've been called in my 29 years of Spurs fandom -- through all of the hundreds of games I've attended and the thousands of games that I've watched; through sitting in front of my TV in 1987 praying for that red chameleon to do its work and exalting at learning that it had; through playoff trips to LA and Dallas and Seattle and New Orleans and Sacramento where I've been spit upon and called every name in the book for just being a Spurs fan; through sitting at a desk in my home in Lubbock trying to wave a radio antenna to just pick up whatever scratchy signal I could from the WOAI broadcast of a game at Chicago in 1997 to be awed by everyone of rookie Tim Duncan's 22 rebounds in an overtime loss; through booing Amare Stoudemire to the point of hoarseness for his comments about Bruce Bowen; through unending chants of "Javie Sucks!" when he has sucked; through having several Baseline Bums approach me at the Alamodome, asking me to consider joining their group -- bandwagoner is probably the most appropriate name yet.
My rebuttal:
The defense rests.
Or to put it another way...
Better fans than you were the reason for that Horry chant...I suggest you just accept your mistake, move on, apologize or kiss ass if you prefer(and let's face it, that seems to be your preference)...and then STFU and get back behind your team and hopefully this embarrasing error in fan behavior, ON YOUR PART will all be forgotten soon.
Um... a bit jumpy are we? Another knee-jerk impulsive reaction by whottt???... say it ain't so!!!
For one.... find one single post where I've given up on the Spurs.... (I'll spare you the time - you won't find a single one). So please, spare me the condemning tone and don't ever call me a bandwaggon fan again. My loyalties are clearly defined.
I'm confident that the Spurs can repeat this year - when they play to their abilities no one can beat them. I've been pretty consistent and level headed about that belief - losses and all.
Secondly, Horry's foul was hardly a 'hard foul' - Horry never left his feet, only leaning forward to brace for the hit because West was already leaning back and headed in his direction. Besides, David West should not have been playing on a delicate gimpy back to begin with. Were that pick employed on some other player (by someone not named Horry or Bowen) the play would have been an afterthought... not even a footnote.
Third, Buck Harvey should know better than to le his articles in an instigative fashion. You should tell him to STFU... not me. He is essentially lending credence to an unfair portrayal of Horry. Last year's hip check was only delivered out of frustration because the refs essentially failed to call Horry's initial attempt of intentionally fouling Nash two seconds before. Basically saying 'if this is what I have to do to get the call and stop the clock so be it'. Not to mention that Nash exaggerated the contact by floppling and flailing. Horry was not responsible for the fallout of that incident - if the refs had called the first foul the second one would have never unfolded in the manner that it did. That unfortunate domino would not have fallen and tainted the series in the eyes of Spurs haters everywhere. I'm glad the Spurs convincing dismantling of the Suns this year put all those excuses to rest.
Lastly, it is classless for a fanbase to cheer for an injured player - you simply can't defend the action. Last time I checked the teams on the floor aren't at war, it's a sport. Horry knows this, and had he checked the crowd then maybe we would have averted another 'controversial' incident that villifies our team amongst the NBA fanbase - merited or not. I can't stand it when the media essentially discredits the Spurs' acolades over shortsighted, erroneous, biased events such as this one - they hate eating crow. They have discredited Robinson, Duncan and the Spurs so much... it's sickening. Villifying our team as 'dirty champions' is not how I would want the Spurs' legacy to be defined or how I want this era remembered. The crowds' actions yesterday added to that belief rather than detract from it.
Edit: BTW I've been the one advocating for the Spurs to level Paul in the same fashion that Parker has been getting fouled. Foul-in-kind.
Spurs in Seven!
Last edited by Phenomanul; 05-16-2008 at 12:42 PM.
Im not gonna let dumbass conspiracy theories ruin the glory of that win for me --->
CP3 really looked like a whining little crybaby last night - maybe "CP3" stands for "Crying, Pouting, again and again"CP3 is a punk ass
Maybe they should call him W3: "Waa, Waa, Waa" - ing baby...
Reminded me of Gasol in Game 3 vs Utah - someone must have talked to Gasol because he has been less of a baby the last couple of games.
Seriously, Harvey should be pelted with tomatoes for this inflammatory crap.
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