Can we dump all our old players and get Gilbert at SG?

[Emanuel20]

we say go for it. we jus be in the back laughing at your ass

We have laughed at yours for a couple years now!

[crazylakerfan001]

We have laughed at yours for a couple years now!

r u laughing now

[Emanuel20]

r u laughing now

Nope, I am quite and pissed but we'll be fine! I believe Spurs are not happy how they lost so I expect the best from our team!

[Don Quixote]

Is Arenas such a jerk and so uncoachable that he'd play the same game in SA? Surrounded by professionals and a track record of winning?

No way. He'd fit in great.

And like I said, the reason the Spurs lost this series is because they don't have enough young, talented players. Our entire team USED to be young and talented. But those days are over. And if we're going to keep up with the Lakers, who have taller, stronger, better shooting, more athletic players at every position, we'll need to get rid of most, if not all of our current roster. Tim excepted.

[SRJ]

I guess by the logic of the anti-GA forces in this thread, Randy Moss sucked balls last year with the Patriots.

[Radiosparks]

Yes, I did not consider the fact that Arenas had major surgery on his knee, and didn't look good at all in the playoffs.

Provided he recovers, he'd be a huge upgrade over either Tony or Manu. He's a better shooter, harder to defend, and more consistent than either. And you put him in Pop's system and I guarantee he'd play some D. And he'd get more open looks with a legit big man.

I'd give away just about everyone on this roster, though, for a player at the same position on the Hornets or Lakers.

This guy was out partying in D.C. when he should have been rehabbing. No thanks!

[Don Quixote]

Well, if that's true, then I guess he wouldn't be such a good Spur. But we definitely need a major roster overhaul. Only Duncan is untouchable.

[aka_USAPA]

Gilbert can opt out of his contract. Why do we need to give anyone up? There should be enough room after horry, finely, and barry retire. We need someone to pick up the slack when the scoring drought sets in (this has been a problem for the last several years now). Sign Artest also, and we'll be good.

How do you get Arenas if he opts out?

[SRJ]

Well, if that's true, then I guess he wouldn't be such a good Spur. But we definitely need a major roster overhaul. Only Duncan is untouchable.

What makes Tony so touchable? He's young and still playing well.

[SRJ]

This guy was out partying in D.C. when he should have been rehabbing.

Obviously. After all, he did make it back just in time for the end of the regular season. After knee surgery, everyone else is back after like three days.

[Don Quixote]

I'm not wanting to get rid of Tony so much as trying to make the entire roster better. I'd be willing to move every Spur if we could get real players (see: Laker roster) in return.

[SRJ]

I'd be willing to move every Spur if we could get real players (see: Laker roster) in return.

Overreaction forum.

[Kori Ellis]

I'm not wanting to get rid of Tony so much as trying to make the entire roster better. I'd be willing to move every Spur if we could get real players (see: Laker roster) in return.

I'll assume you are kidding or drunk. Who would you want off the Lakers roster for Manu/Tony besides Kobe or Bynum? Adding Arenas in place of Tony (or Tony and Manu as you propose) doesn't improve the roster. Arenas turns the ball more, averages less assists, and shoots a MUCH lower percentage than Tony/Manu.

[aka_USAPA]

I still don't get how the Spurs are getting Arenas if he opts out of his contract.

[Emanuel20]

I still don't get how the Spurs are getting Arenas if he opts out of his contract.

WE ARE NOT!

[SRJ]

Arenas turns the ball more, averages less assists, and shoots a MUCH lower percentage than Tony/Manu.

But Kori - do you assume he'd be the same player here that he was in DC? Don't you think the atmosphere and system in SA would tighten him up? After all, his big man in DC was Brendan Haywood - now it would be Tim Duncan. There would be a lot more open shots here for him.

I don't know that I'm sold on Arenas, but his talent is worth at least a little trouble.

[Sigz]

This thread sucks.

[Kori Ellis]

But Kori - do you assume he'd be the same player here that he was in DC? Don't you think the atmosphere and system in SA would tighten him up? After all, his big man in DC was Brendan Haywood - now it would be Tim Duncan. There would be a lot more open shots here for him.

I don't know that I'm sold on Arenas, but his talent is worth at least a little trouble.

But why would the risk of him maybe being a different player here be worth losing Tony or Manu when you already getting better than that from Tony and Manu already?

That doesn't make any sense.

[SRJ]

But why would the risk of him maybe being a different player here be worth losing Tony or Manu when you already getting better than that from Tony and Manu already?

That doesn't make any sense.

Neither does standing pat watching the roster gain nothing but gray hair. While Tim still has some championship years left in him, the FO needs to do something to maximize those years.

Picking up older guys was OK when Tim and Manu were on one side of the chronological equator. They're on the other side now.

[Strike]

But Kori - do you assume he'd be the same player here that he was in DC? Don't you think the atmosphere and system in SA would tighten him up? After all, his big man in DC was Brendan Haywood - now it would be Tim Duncan. There would be a lot more open shots here for him.

I don't know that I'm sold on Arenas, but his talent is worth at least a little trouble.

How many players like Gilby the Chucker have changed their game after changing teams?

[dg7md]

Parker, Arenas, Duncan = multiple championships

Nobody can argue this...

[Kori Ellis]

Neither does standing pat watching the roster gain nothing but gray hair. While Tim still has some championship years left in him, the FO needs to do something to maximize those years.

Picking up older guys was OK when Tim and Manu were on one side of the chronological equator. They're on the other side now.

So trading Tony for Arenas does what? Does it give you a young swingman? a young big? a young long 3?

No, it just gives a chucking point guard.

If you are asking me if they should trade Barry & Finley for Arenas, then sure or if Arenas is signing here on a 3 year/$10M deal. But he's not. He wants $10+ million a year.

[SRJ]

How many players like Gilby the Chucker have changed their game after changing teams?

Ron Harper used to be known as a glitzy scoring guy in his years. After injuries and playoff exits humbled him, he played a role for four championship teams.

Glen Rice never met a shot he didn't like, and he was option #3 on a Shaq and Kobe championship team.

Danny Ainge was a chucking fool and he played in the Finals lots of times. Won two championships.

Crazy old Vernon Maxwell averaged 38 minutes a night in the 1994 Rockets playoff run.

If you focus on what players can't do, you'll blind yourself to the things that they can do.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

But Kori - do you assume he'd be the same player here that he was in DC? Don't you think the atmosphere and system in SA would tighten him up? After all, his big man in DC was Brendan Haywood - now it would be Tim Duncan. There would be a lot more open shots here for him.

I don't know that I'm sold on Arenas, but his talent is worth at least a little trouble.

He didn't fit in with Team USA, and he was like the sixth best player on the team. He's a me-first type, always will be until he's old and over the hill. Then he might be ready for a Finley type role.

Until then, no thanks. Not to mention he ain't coming to SA for the amount of salary cap dollars we have free this summer.


And I'm still trying to figure out how a guy who shoots worse than Tony, averages less assists per game, and is struggling with recovery from microfracture surgery is supposed to be better than Parker. Talk about a huge reach, is your name Gumby?

[SRJ]

If you are asking me if they should trade Barry & Finley for Arenas, then sure

I wish I was a capologist. I'd like to run the numbers to see if any plausible scenario could work to bring in some kind of good younger player. Some risks have got to be taken.

The tragedy is that if we just keep bringing in more of the well over thirty crowd, we're pretty much stopping Duncan's legacy at four.