WTF happened to the BUSH lovers?

[xrayzebra]

Ray, I don't go on message boards and act all physically tough very often, but I don't care who you are, if we were to compete in an athletic feats of strength compe ion, I'd wipe the floor with you ten times over.

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, but I was
cringing in a dark alley hoping you wouldn't find me.
Then I ran onto another huffer and puffer and
knew I was safe.

How bout pillows at 20 paces. You get to name the place.

One thing you may do. If I was to take you up
on your planned demise of me, you may have a
banquet on my rear end, but sonny boy, I would
get me a nice sandwich in the meantime.

[KimIlSung]

Hi i am from china. I have to say i hate US. and most world hate US as well. The US starts wars for wrong reasons. Korean war US lost and invade for none of its business. china and north korea kick usa ass. Vietnam US invade for dumb reason. They think Vietnam side with china in communist theory but this not true. vietnam hates china. so to stop communist spread us attack. and they lost again. in 1980 US support terrorist to fight soviet union in afghanistan. same terrorist supposedly led attack 9/11 on US. US invade Iraq supposedly because of WMD and sadaam. more people have died since sadaam was wrongly killed. this is true fact. US army has no honor because it never win any war except wwII. that was good win but has not won war in long time. people liberation army defeat japan and usa 2 big power in world.

[USA Employee]

In a way I kinda feel bad for the Republicans they got ed by Bush also!!

[whottt]

In a way I kinda feel bad for the Republicans they got ed by Bush also!!

Dude...this thread was over in the third post when you got PEGGED. P.E.G.G.E.D. Give it up....it's been over for a long time.

[DarkReign]

Hmm, where in Iraq were you at, what unit?

Cool that youre in the military.

But lets assume that you are in favor of this occupation.

Again, lets make a giant leap of assumption and say every man and woman in the military, from boots to brass, are in favor of this occupation and love every moment of their job.

Lets just assume thats completely true.

So because the military favors a war/occupation, does that mean the People should as well by default?

[Don Quixote]

I don't think that what Pep's saying -- that because the military favors occupation, we ought to as well. That would be committing the fallacy known as the "appeal to authority" or the "testimonial."

I think what he's saying is, the media is not really reporting (not all that well) what is really happening on the ground in Iraq. Pep, as a solider, is in a position to know things that are happening that might not be covered or emphasized by the media. That was the question -- we rightly criticize the media for bias, but then we believe their Iraq coverage. Ironic, to say the least.

[clambake]

when we stop paying the shia and sunni, and even kurds, not to kill our troops, then the opinion will certainly change.

[DarkReign]

I don't think that what Pep's saying -- that because the military favors occupation, we ought to as well. That would be committing the fallacy known as the "appeal to authority" or the "testimonial."

I think what he's saying is, the media is not really reporting (not all that well) what is really happening on the ground in Iraq. Pep, as a solider, is in a position to know things that are happening that might not be covered or emphasized by the media. That was the question -- we rightly criticize the media for bias, but then we believe their Iraq coverage. Ironic, to say the least.

While thats a likely explanation, and PEP should thank you for providing it for him, I asked him on purpose.

Because the military supports an offensive, that fact should have zero bearing on the support for such things at home.

If we allowed the military to dictate foreign policy, we'd be in endless war.
The inmates are not running the asylum, for lack of a better analogy.

[DarkReign]

Hi i am from china. I have to say i hate US. and most world hate US as well. The US starts wars for wrong reasons. Korean war US lost and invade for none of its business. china and north korea kick usa ass. Vietnam US invade for dumb reason. They think Vietnam side with china in communist theory but this not true. vietnam hates china. so to stop communist spread us attack. and they lost again. in 1980 US support terrorist to fight soviet union in afghanistan. same terrorist supposedly led attack 9/11 on US. US invade Iraq supposedly because of WMD and sadaam. more people have died since sadaam was wrongly killed. this is true fact. US army has no honor because it never win any war except wwII. that was good win but has not won war in long time. people liberation army defeat japan and usa 2 big power in world.

Hi! Im from America. When I start giving a about what 3rd world, communist wanna-be industrial nations think, Ill sign up to your government regulated forums and type in Chinese.

Until then, remember who learned who's language to communicate. Thanks.

[Wild Cobra]

So because the military favors a war/occupation, does that mean the People should as well by default?

Does it matter? At the time, a majority of people was for the war. Right or wrong, no matter how good or bad the intel was, we cannot just cut and run. We need to finish what was started. I have very little respect for those who would argue against that point. If someone dislikes it. Fine. If someone says they never wanted in. Fine. To just leave before things are finished would be an act of evil.

[balli]

We need to finish what was started.

How would you suggest we go about doing that? What specifically do we need to do differently from the past half a decade? And what were our goals when we invaded that we now need to finish?

Oh wait... our goal was to eradicate WMD's so Iraq didn't pose a threat to the US. Unfortunately there weren't any WMD's and Iraq never posed a threat in the first place. And last time I checked with the right wing freedom was rampant in Iraq, so according to you guys we're good there.

And don't use the carefully manufactured phrase of cut and run- it makes you sound like even more of a brainwashed idealogue.

[Wild Cobra]

How would you suggest we go about doing that? What specifically do we need to do differently from the past half a decade? And what were our goals when we invaded that we now need to finish?

Oh wait... our goal was to eradicate WMD's so Iraq didn't pose a threat to the US. Unfortunately there weren't any WMD's and Iraq never posed a threat in the first place. And last time I checked with the right wing freedom was rampant in Iraq, so according to you guys we're good there.

And don't use the carefully manufactured phrase of cut and run- it makes you sound like even more of a brainwashed idealogue.

I'm sorry you believe that's all there was to it. How many times have the several reasons been said, but it always comes back to the one weak item. Is there any sense in continuing this when you outright ignore the other relevant facts?

We were enforcing UN resolutions.

Desert Storm ended with the agreements Saddam broke.

president Clinton signed legislation to take out Saddam.

Congress voted to go.

Other reasons that I forget due to time.

Again, right or wrong, we are there now. We cannot leave until we secure security for the people of Iraq. Id you think we should just leave, then you probably were OK with the holocaust also? What do you think will happen over here if we just leave before stabilizing things?

[clambake]

WC, why do continue to mischaracterize the intel as being good or bad when we know that the reasons for war were deliberately misleading?

[balli]

Id you think we should just leave, then you probably were OK with the holocaust also? What do you think will happen over here if we just leave before stabilizing things?

Yes, I do think we should just leave. And no, don't callously and offensively equate that with me somehow condoning the Holocaust. How strawman can you get?

If we left, I think most likely Iran would then empower the Shias to the point that they could take control of the country and somebody, maybe Al Sadr, would enforce stability and set up an extremist regime far worse than that of Saddam, but probably far distanced from Al-Qaida's or any other terrorist agenda.

If it's a bloodbath or an extremist regime doesn't really matter to me. In my mind it beats continuing to spend trillions of American Dollars and thousands of American lives.

If it is a bloodbath... that's blood on the souls of the people who started this thing- George Bush and his supporters and I'm not the one that someday is going to have answer for that at the gates of .

[KimIlSung]

Hi! Im from America. When I start giving a about what 3rd world, communist wanna-be industrial nations think, Ill sign up to your government regulated forums and type in Chinese.

Until then, remember who learned who's language to communicate. Thanks.

I figured you would be like average american. Why dont you stop your big US clouded mindset and see the truth. All the facts i provide are true. communist country are not third world. Ill give one example Do you know that Afghanistan was a thriving country under communism women allowed all freedoms elections people thrived. The US gave the terrorist organization muhajideen money to fight communist in afghanistan and ussr. now look what happen. the US support whoever will give them more money, like jewish in middle east. And my response to you is: Remember who learned whos language. I have learned english and korean. A dumb american like you couldnt come type in a china forum because you dont have capacity to. Thanks.

[balli]

I figured you would be like average american. Why dont you stop your big US clouded mindset and see the truth. All the facts i provide are true. communist country are not third world. Ill give one example Do you know that Afghanistan was a thriving country under communism women allowed all freedoms elections people thrived. The US gave the terrorist organization muhajideen money to fight communist in afghanistan and ussr. now look what happen. the US support whoever will give them more money, like jewish in middle east. And my response to you is: Remember who learned whos language. I have learned english and korean. A dumb american like you couldnt come type in a china forum because you dont have capacity to. Thanks.

Listen you stupid - I'm no fan of recent US policy, but you CLEARLY don't know what you're talking about. You wanna talk about everything America's ever done, you want to call us the second superpower, bring it then mother er and we'll wipe all billion of your 5'1" third-world asses off the ing map with the touch of button.

[Yonivore]

So, the fundamental question posed in this thread never got answered. Exactly how is George W. Bush responsible for the current price of gasoline?

[ChumpDumper]

You guys took a mouse post seriously.

[Yonivore]

ChumpDumper's inconsequential (and ignored) drivel aside, I'll answer my own question.

He's not.

For several decades, the Democratic Party has pursued policies designed to drive up the cost of petroleum, and therefore gas at the pump. Remarkably, the Democrats don't seem to have taken much of a political hit from the current e in gas prices. Probably that's because most people don't realize how different the two parties' energy policies have been.

Congressman Roy Blunt put together these data to highlight the differences between House Republicans and House Democrats on energy policy:

ANWR Exploration
House Republicans: 91% Supported
House Democrats: 86% Opposed

Coal-to-Liquid
House Republicans: 97% Supported
House Democrats: 78% Opposed

Oil Shale Exploration
House Republicans: 90% Supported
House Democrats: 86% Opposed

Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) Exploration
House Republicans: 81% Supported
House Democrats: 83% Opposed

Refinery Increased Capacity
House Republicans: 97% Supported
House Democrats: 96% Opposed

SUMMARY

91% of House Republicans have historically voted to increase the production of American-made oil and gas.

86% of House Democrats have historically voted against increasing the production of American-made oil and gas.

It's useful to keep this sort of thing in mind when we hear (on something like a daily basis these days) that the Republicans have run out of ideas or that Republican ideas didn't work. The truth is that most major Republican ideas weren't tried because the Democrats blocked them. Increasing the domestic production of oil and gas (a move so obvious it barely meets the standard for being an idea) is hardly the only example. Social security reform and school choice also come quickly to mind. Republican-backed policies for increasing the number of Americans with health insurance were also blocked by Democrats. And so forth.

That's why this thread, begun with the empty rhetoric of "WTF happened to the BUSH lovers?" in the context of a ostensible discussion on gasoline prices, devolved into nonsense about nothing.

Nice going...

[balli]

I consider high oil prices a good thing. The higher the better in my opinion.

And going into ANWR. I'd rather see oil jump another $100 bucks a barrel before seeing one single caribou herd alter it's migration patterns in even the slightest of degrees.

[Yonivore]

I consider high oil prices a good thing. The higher the better in my opinion.

And going into ANWR. I'd rather see oil jump another $100 bucks a barrel before seeing one single caribou herd alter it's migration patterns in even the slightest of degrees.

You're a ing idiot.

[balli]

Nope. I'm just a person who would rather see you and your car dead than the ecosystem that was here before you.

[xrayzebra]

You're a ing idiot.

I'll second that!

[clambake]

we need to pay for the construction, materials, labor, housing, distribution and everything else involved in drilling for the oil companies so they can turn around and sell it for max dollars on the world market.

and we need to rocket a guy to mars.

[ChumpDumper]

ChumpDumper's inconsequential (and ignored) drivel aside, I'll answer my own question.

It's not ignored if you comment on it, dumbass.

And yeah, you took mouse seriously. Why does anybody do that here anymore?

Because it gives you a chance to pimp Bush for Mount Rushmore again?

Do you have a pe ion going for that? How's it working out for you?