The Manu Doesn't Believe in God Thread

[whottt]

I honestly still don't know what the point you're trying to make is. I don't know if my brain is just completely shut down at the moment or if you're just rambling or if its something else but I have no idea what you're talking about whottt.

What do you consider to be the most important part of the cons ution? The bill of rights or the defining of the branches of government?

[PixelPusher]

What do you consider to be the most important part of the cons ution? The bill of rights or the defining of the branches of government?

Without a government, a bill of rights amounts to precisely .

just a wish list.

[whottt]

The Cons ution (a do ent which broadly lays out the form and function of government) can exist without a Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights (a series of amendments dealing specifically with individual liberties) can NOT exist without a Cons ution as it's FOUNDATION.

Our Cons ution has always had a bill of rights, we have never known a Cons ution without one...and since it's the part that has the most impact on our day to day lives...I think it's pretty easy to make a case that it is our Cons ution. I mean are you a politician or a citizen? Our Cons ution without the Bill of Rights isn't what makes American America...it's the Bill of Rights that does that my friend.

[MannyIsGod]

What do you consider to be the most important part of the cons ution? The bill of rights or the defining of the branches of government?

I believe they are equally important. The actual division of powers within our government has no doubt had a great deal in protecting our rights, but without the bill of rights those powers would be able to run over the rights that the first 10 amendments protect.

[whottt]

Without a government, a bill of rights amounts to precisely .

just a wish list.

and without a bill of rights our goverment would be precisely a .

[PixelPusher]

I believe they are equally important. The actual division of powers within our government has no doubt had a great deal in protecting our rights, but without the bill of rights those powers would be able to run over the rights that the first 10 amendments protect.

Too bad nobody hipped Bush and Cheney to that assertion. "Unitary Executive", "Emergency War Powers" and all that...

[timvp]

I see what whottt is saying. Now whether that's what he meant from the beginning or whether he's covering his azz is the question . . .

But even if it was an azz covering, it was a nice recovery from what looked like a lethal blow from PixelPusher.

[whottt]

I believe they are equally important. The actual division of powers within our government has no doubt had a great deal in protecting our rights, but without the bill of rights those powers would be able to run over the rights that the first 10 amendments protect.

Well I see nothing particularly benevolent or enlightened about the Cons ution sans the Bill of Rights, yes the checks and balances are a bit ingenious...but you don't think of checks and balances when you think of America...you think of the freedoms, and they are contained wholly in the Bill of Rights.

[MannyIsGod]

Rights mean nothing unless they are protected. You can say they are protected all you want, but actually having a system that guards them is invaluable. The way the government was setup by the founding fathers has protected those rights you find so dear. Without it the Bill of Rights lose a lot of their meaning because they lose their protection.

They support one another, but I don't understand why we're having this conversation in a thread about religion and Manu.

Man I'm so ing lost at this point.

[whottt]

I see what whottt is saying. Now whether that's what he meant from the beginning or whether he's covering his azz is the question . . .

But even if it was an azz covering, it was a nice recovery from what looked like a lethal blow from PixelPusher.

Danke...

[PixelPusher]

Our Cons ution has always had a bill of rights, we have never known a Cons ution without one...and since it's the part that has the most impact on our day to day lives...I think it's pretty easy to make a case that it is our Cons ution. I mean are you a politician or a citizen? Our Cons ution without the Bill of Rights isn't what makes American America...it's the Bill of Rights that does that my friend.

The Bill of Rights are indeed important. Horray for Civil Liberties! Horray for America!



...that still doesn't let you off the hook for asserting that Patrick Henry, an anti-federalist who utterly dispised the Cons ution, was 2nd only to America's foremost cheerleader Sam Adams to the foundation of the/our(whatever) Cons ution (that was ratified in spite of his opposition to it).

No mention of James Madison? He only wrote the damn thing.

[PixelPusher]

Rights mean nothing unless they are protected. You can say they are protected all you want, but actually having a system that guards them is invaluable. The way the government was setup by the founding fathers has protected those rights you find so dear. Without it the Bill of Rights lose a lot of their meaning because they lose their protection.

They support one another, but I don't understand why we're having this conversation in a thread about religion and Manu.

Man I'm so ing lost at this point.

My bad. I know whottt is a fountain of unfounded assertions, but that one just stuck in my craw and I couldn't let it go.

[whottt]

Rights mean nothing unless they are protected. You can say they are protected all you want, but actually having a system that guards them is invaluable. The way the government was setup by the founding fathers has protected those rights you find so dear. Without it the Bill of Rights lose a lot of their meaning because they lose their protection.

They support one another, but I don't understand why we're having this conversation in a thread about religion and Manu.

Man I'm so ing lost at this point.

The problem is that you are entirely cut off from your spiritual ancestry. You chown down on the liver of a buffo marinarus fed duck and you won't have any problems getting spiritual...ever again.

Spirituality dies in us the further away we get from these practices.

[whottt]

The Bill of Rights are indeed important. Horray for Civil Liberties! Horray for America!



...that still doesn't let you off the hook for asserting that Patrick Henry, an anti-federalist who utterly dispised the Cons ution, was 2nd only to America's foremost cheerleader Sam Adams to the foundation of the/our(whatever) Cons ution (that was ratified in spite of his opposition to it).

No mention of James Madison? He only wrote the damn thing.

I made no unfounded assertion whatsoever my friend...

A pity you don't understand the Contistution would never have been ratified if it wasn't agreed upon that a Bill of Rights would be added to it later.

Thanks for playin'.


And thank you Mr. Henry, and especially Mr. Adams.

Quakers too.


PS: Unfounded? No...Provocative? Yes. But damned if that was the part I expected to provoke.


And James Madison wrote the Bill of Rights, didn't think it was important did it under pressure...so I don't know why I'd give him much credit for the foundation of our Cons ution.

[MannyIsGod]

The problem is that you are entirely cut off from your spiritual ancestry. You chown down on the liver of a buffo marinarus fed duck and you won't have any problems getting spiritual...ever again.

Spirituality dies in us the further away we get from these practices.

Oh I am? You profess to know what my spirituality is or are you just assuming?

[whottt]

Oh I am? You profess to know what my spirituality is or are you just assuming?

I don't have a clue what your spiritual beliefs are...but I do know what your spiritual ancestry is...or at least part of it, your ancient ancestry. It is my field of expertise. I don't think you practice it...but if you do you're bad ass.

[timvp]

So do you Manu told David Robinson that he doesn't believe in God?

[whottt]

So do you Manu told David Robinson that he doesn't believe in God?

Probably not...


Now my question...would you vote for David Robinson if he ran for President?

[ElNono]

Reading the bible is what brought me to the truth. I was a Catholic until then.

+1

[xeromass]

Don't have time or will to read whole 29 pages, but still, one question for DPG21920


Map shows percentage of positive responses to statement "I believe there is a God." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:E...ief_in_god.png

So in your opinion, in large part of Europe, believers should keep themselves closeted as not to insult any ubersensitive infidels?

/me takes bill of rights and wipes his ass

[ElNono]

So do you Manu told David Robinson that he doesn't believe in God?

just when whottt was babbling again, timvp with the saving throw...

[ElNono]

The RPG version of this thread so far:
- Manu encounters God question.
- Manu casts disbelief.
- Manu damages God question for 10 HP, God question dies
- Band of believers encounter band of non believers.
- DPG casts innuendo. Casting fails.
- Mister Sinister attacks DPG with drama queen for 5 HP of damage.
- DPG drinks reality potion.
- ElNono summons Mercedes Benz.
- MaNuMaNiAc casts Visibility.
- ElNono runs over MaNuMaNiAc for 5 HP damage.
- MaNuMaNiAc blinds ElNono for 2 rounds.
- remingtonbo2001 casts Personal God. Casting fails.
- MaNuMaNiAc attacks remingtonbo2001 with Translation Table for 5 HP damage.
- timvp stirs Cauldron of Controversy. Everybody takes 3 HP damage.
- Extra Stout attacks ElNono with Pascal for 5 HP damage.
- whottt drink Intelligence +5 potion. Potion has no effect.
- whottt summons Horse.
- angel_luv attacks baseline_bum with Holy Bible for 5 HP damage.
- ElNono attacks Extra Stout with Albert Einstein for 5 HP damage.
- Xylus attacks whottt with Hammer of Bad Analogy for 10 HP.
- baseline_bum summons Shastafarian.
- baseline_bum attacks angel_luv with Shastafarian for 5 HP damage.
- whottt casts Cons ution +10. Casting fails.
- PixelPusher attacks whottt with Spear of Knowledge.
- whottt summons Bill of Rights.
- timvp summons David Robinson.
- ?

EDIT: sorry if I missed some of you... feel free to add more entries!

[Shastafarian]

- whottt drink Intelligence +5 potion. Potion has no effect.

[xtremesteven33]

That's a very biased assumption you're making there. Why would you automatically equate an afterlife with some overarching goal in this life?

because it makes sense. If there is a God, then we were created right? And if something is created it happened for a reason. right?
Then our unwritten goal is to find out what that truth is. Even though most people dont really care for it. theyd rather spend thier life wasting it than seeking for truth and not necessarily purpose.

If Evolution is true. The core truth of it is we have no purpose on this earth. We are a product of slime billions of years ago that happened for no reason.
In that case, an after life wouldnt make any sense if there is no intelligent design to craft a heaven or or cultivate the human soul.

[ElNono]

because it makes sense. If there is a God, then we were created right? And if something is created it happened for a reason. right?
Then our unwritten goal is to find out what that truth is. Even though most people dont really care for it. theyd rather spend thier life wasting it than seeking for truth and not necessarily purpose.

Not really, no. You set what your purpose in life is. You even set your purpose in life when you decided to follow God's direction. You say, 'OK, God says my purpose in life is this, that and the other', when you made the decision to agree and pursue that in life, you effectively decided what your purpose in life is going to be. Some other people decided otherwise. Some people agreed, then noticed that didn't work for them, so they went a different way. There's no Right or Wrong here, IMO. It's completely a personal choice, and it's very disingenuous to claim that because somebody opted for a different purpose in life than yours, they're automatically wasting their life.
There are a lots of people who have set their purpose in life to help others, to advance sciences for the greater good of humanity, to make other people happy, and they don't believe in God at all. Even when some of their actions align themselves with Christianity.

If Evolution is true. The core truth of it is we have no purpose on this earth. We are a product of slime billions of years ago that happened for no reason.
In that case, an after life wouldnt make any sense if there is no intelligent design to craft a heaven or or cultivate the human soul.

Purpose and evolution are two completely different animals. They're not mutually exclusive to begin with. And you don't need intelligent design to cultivate the human soul. You can absolutely feel good by helping somebody without needing to be a religious person.