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    Yet you don't answer my question.

    Par for the course.
    Why should I?

    You're lost.

    But the Palestinians have put up with a bunch of you would claim you would never put up with -- I have trouble believing you since you are such a shill yourself.

    If you're a fan of slow motion ethnic cleansing, so be it. Others might not share your opinion.

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    Why should I?

    You're lost.

    But the Palestinians have put up with a bunch of you would claim you would never put up with -- I have trouble believing you since you are such a shill yourself.
    So starting a war is the answer, when it never works for them? Repeatedly, how many time? They have to be insane.

    Do you seriously think that's appropriate?

    What would your solution be? Do you have one?

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    Terror worked for Israel when they started out.

    You tell me what's appropriate.

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    Terror worked for Israel when they started out.

    You tell me what's appropriate.
    I see...

    You live in the past.

    What do I think is appropriate? Leave Israel alone. No mercy to the aggressor when starts. The borders are established, let it be.

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    I see...

    You live in the past.
    I see.

    You live in denial.

    What do I think is appropriate? Leave Israel alone. No mercy to the aggressor when starts. The borders are established, let it be.
    You act as if there is an independent Palestine.

    That is a lie.

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    I see.

    You live in denial.

    You act as if there is an independent Palestine.

    That is a lie.
    Really? You once again misjudge me. No surprise there.

    You still haven't answered why lobbing mortars and rockets are appropriate. How can anyone accept full independence and UN acceptance for such a rouge en y?

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    Really? You once again misjudge me. No surprise there.
    then you agree the border are pretty meaningless.

    Ok.

    You still haven't answered why lobbing mortars and rockets are appropriate. How can anyone accept full independence and UN acceptance for such a rouge en y?
    You recognize Israel.

    Terrorism helped them become independent and gain UN acceptance.

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    then you agree the border are pretty meaningless.

    Ok.
    Wrong.
    You recognize Israel.
    Yes.
    Terrorism helped them become independent and gain UN acceptance.
    Really? I'm not aware of that. What are you speaking of? The UK was the occupier and granted them statehood in the late 40's. Surrounding nations didn't like that and started a war.

    Am I wrong?

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    I'm not aware of that.
    No .

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    That's it? No .... and no link. Can you prove me wrong?

    That's not how I remember it from history class.

    Revisionist history maybe?

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    That's it? No .... and no link. Can you prove me wrong?

    That's not how I remember it from history class.

    Revisionist history maybe?
    No. It's simply what happened.

    Sorry you were so poorly educated, but your continued ignorance is your problem and your responsibility.

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    LOL...

    Once again, no evidence.

    I'm suppose to take your word?

    No thanks.

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    LOL...

    Once again, no evidence.

    I'm suppose to take your word?

    No thanks.
    I certainly wouldn't expect you to actually educate yourself. That would be too much for you.

    I'll let you live with your rosy fantasy of instantly granted statehood. The Jews just asked nicely using good handwriting on fancy stationery.

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    I certainly wouldn't expect you to actually educate yourself. That would be too much for you.
    Well, I have actually been searching material on the topic. You are misinformed. There was a radical faction that attacked British interests, but at the same time, the majority of Jewish people were working with the British. Not against them. I believe one number I found had 10% of eligible Jews volunteer for the British military. It was the Arabs causing the British problems in the 40's. Not the Jews.
    I'll let you live with your rosy fantasy of instantly granted statehood. The Jews just asked nicely using good handwriting on fancy stationery.
    Actually, I believe the British changed their mind. Said they were going to grand a Jewish state, and the Arabs resisted. Israel then self declared statehood, which cause the Arab nations to start the war.
    Last edited by Wild Cobra; 12-03-2012 at 05:28 AM.

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    Well, I have actually been searching material on the topic.

    You are misinformed. There was a radical faction that attacked British interests, but at the same time, the majority of Jewish people were working with the British. Not against them. I believe one number I found had 10% of eligible Jews volunteer for the British military. It was the Arabs causing the British problems in the 40's. Not the Jews.
    You are misinformed.

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    You are misinformed.
    You going to prove me wrong, or are we to believe you. The Master Baiter of this forum?

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    You going to prove me wrong
    Like you proved yourself right with extensive links and citations?

    Hypocrite.

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    Like you proved yourself right with extensive links and citations?

    Hypocrite.
    I've been actually reading various material. Have you looked up and verified any of your accusations? Nothing I read is in conflict of what I have maintained. More to it than I remembered, but nothing so far that shows the Jewish leaders of the time as attacking British interests. A few small radical groups, yes. The Jewish leadership, no.

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    Sure it's not like a terrorist leader became prime minister or anything.

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    Sure it's not like a terrorist leader became prime minister or anything.
    Ben-Gurion was no terrorist. He did have plans with the Irgun and Lehi, but then backed out when he learned the true nature of the plans. He was probably the one that sent warning to the British ahead of the bombing. From those of Jewish heritage, it was the Irgun, and worse yet, the Lehi who were causing problems. The Lehi was a Fascist group that initially backed Germany against the British.

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    Ben-Gurion was no terrorist. He did have plans with the Irgun and Lehi, but then backed out when he learned the true nature of the plans. He was probably the one that sent warning to the British ahead of the bombing. From those of Jewish heritage, it was the Irgun, and worse yet, the Lehi who were causing problems. The Lehi was a Fascist group that initially backed Germany against the British.
    Menachem Begin was head of the Irgun.

    Thanks for helping me out again, WC!

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    I see...

    You live in the past.

    What do I think is appropriate? Leave Israel alone. No mercy to the aggressor when starts. The borders are established, let it be.
    So do you also support removing the blockades, and stopping Israel from building up settlements where they're not supposed to?

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    Menachem Begin was head of the Irgun.

    Thanks for helping me out again, WC!
    OK, I didn't know a member of that paramilitary group was the 6th Prime minister. Still, different time. They were fighting a physical occupier that was abusing the people. Not the same as Israel not being in Gaza. That group wasn't that bad anyway, as it was absorbed into the IDF if I recall.

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    That group wasn't that bad anyway


    Your views on terrorism are evolving.

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