Official Trade Deadline Speculation Thread

[Ice009]

Wizards wouldn't agree to that trade and the Bulls would want an asset for the future.

Bulls would need a 1st round pick at least from the Spurs. And the Wizards would need a first round pick and or Splitter from the Spurs. IMO

The Wizards getting a 2 month rental in Thomas doesn't help their situation now or for the future.

Would you include a first round pick or Splitter to get it done?

[mingus]

call me crazy but i think the Spurs can still win it all with this team. Pop's reluctance to not compensate for the inherent, immutable average-good perimeter defense on this team is killing us. he needs to insert one of Mahinmi or Ratliff into the rotation of bigs. with Dyce starting to come into his own, that leaves Blair as the odd man out. having at least one seven footer with shot blocking capabilites in the paint at all times will force opposing teams' perimeter players into harder shots. leaving Blair out is a hard thing to do given the fact that he's definitely a talented player and his potential isn't yet fully realized, but he's redundant with McDyess in their already and he's a liability with opposing teams' guards getting into the paint almost at will these days (a direct result of the absense of Bowen). i don't know why Pop hasn't considered any of this. he's tweaking/shuffling the perimeter rotations what seems every game, yet he's reluctant to explore his big options.

pop has just pretty much had his head up his ass in regards to this. not saying what i said is going to remedy this team's problems, but at this point you've got to start looking at everything.

[cdcast]

Wizards wouldn't agree to that trade and the Bulls would want an asset for the future.

Bulls would need a 1st round pick at least from the Spurs. And the Wizards would need a first round pick and or Splitter from the Spurs. IMO

The Wizards getting a 2 month rental in Thomas doesn't help their situation now or for the future.

With Thomas in trouble with Bulls now, he might be had without
giving up a pick.

For the Wizards, Spurs give them their 1st rd. pick.

[Ice009]

call me crazy but i think the Spurs can still win it all with this team. Pop's reluctance to not compensate for the inherent, immutable average-good perimeter defense on this team is killing us. he needs to insert one of Mahinmi or Ratliff into the rotation of bigs. with Dyce starting to come into his own, that leaves Blair as the odd man out. having at least one seven footer with shot blocking capabilites in the paint at all times will force opposing teams' perimeter players into harder shots. leaving Blair out is a hard thing to do given the fact that he's definitely a talented player and his potential isn't yet fully realized, but he's redundant with McDyess in their already and he's a liability with opposing teams' guards getting into the paint almost at will these days (a direct result of the absense of Bowen). i don't know why Pop hasn't considered any of this. he's tweaking/shuffling the perimeter rotations what seems every game, yet he's reluctant to explore his big options.

pop has just pretty much had his head up his ass in regards to this. not saying what i said is going to remedy this team's problems, but at this point you've got to start looking at everything.

Crazy, that doesn't mean you're wrong, but I will call you crazy .

[MaNu4Tres]

With Thomas in trouble with Bulls now, he might be had without
giving up a pick.

You don't understand.

Why would the Wizards trade a valuable trade asset ( Haywood) for a 2 month rental that doesn't help their situation now or for the future? That's stupid.

[Chieflion]

You don't understand.

Why would the Wizards trade a valuable trade asset ( Haywood) for a 2 month rental that doesn't help their situation now or for the future? That's stupid.

It pretty much goes the same for us. Why the heck would the Spurs give a 1st round pick or Splitter for Haywood who might be a 2 month rental for us? Unless he pretty much guarantees a championship.

[MaNu4Tres]

It pretty much goes the same for us. Why the heck would the Spurs give a 1st round pick or Splitter for Haywood who might be a 2 month rental for us? Unless he pretty much guarantees a championship.

No it's not the same thing.

Wizards have no shot at making the playoffs to contend for a le, therefore the moves they will make will be for: A) To help their financial situation in the near and far future or B) To attain assets such as picks to help their future personnel. They won't make trades for THE NOW because they have no shot at anything.

Therefore Wizards trading Haywood out for the 2 month rental of Thomas ( which would be the best piece in that proposed trade going to the Wizards) makes absolutely no sense since no picks and no assets ( such as a cheap young prospect on a rookie scale contract) are included.

Wizards would be giving away Haywood with absolutely nothing to show for it 2 months down the road. That's why the trade makes no sense.

On the other hand...

Spurs will make the playoffs and have a shot to compete for a championship this year. Haywood would improve the Spurs chances this year and that's why a 1st round pick would be needed in the deal. It's the same situation when we got Kurt Thomas ( who we gave up a first round pick for). Same situation when we got Nazr Mohammed ( who we gave up 2 first round picks for; one pick for Nazr's acquisition; one pick for them to take on the rest of Malik Rose's contract).

[Chieflion]

No it's not the same thing.

Wizards have no shot at making the playoffs to contend for a le, therefore the moves they will make will be for: A) To help their financial situation in the near and far future or B) To attain assets such as picks to help their future personnel. They won't make trades for THE NOW because they have no shot at anything.

Therefore Wizards trading Haywood out for the 2 month rental of Thomas ( which would be the best piece in that proposed trade going to the Wizards) makes absolutely no sense since no picks and no assets ( such as a cheap young prospect on a rookie scale contract) are included.

On the other hand...

Spurs will make the playoffs and have a shot to compete for a championship this year. Haywood would improve the Spurs chances this year and that's why a 1st round pick would be needed in the deal. It's the same reason why we got Kurt Thomas ( who we gave up a first round pick for). Same reason why we got Nazr Mohammed ( who we gave up 2 first round picks for; one pick for Nazr's acquisition; one pick for them to take on the rest of Malik Rose's contract).

I don't think you get it. With or without Nazr that year, the Spurs were still contenders. This year is different. The Spurs, currently constructed, have so many problems, I don't see them as contenders. We all know Kurt Thomas failed. As much as I like Haywood, I would think the Spurs would rather keep that higher 1st round pick in the earlier twenties at this point as opposed to absorbing the contract of Deshawn Stevenson which ends in 2011 so that they can keep adding younger talent and be prepared for Duncan's departure.

[MaNu4Tres]

I don't think you get it. With or without Nazr that year, the Spurs were still contenders. This year is different. The Spurs, currently constructed, have so many problems, I don't see them as contenders. We all know Kurt Thomas failed. As much as I like Haywood, I would think the Spurs would rather keep that higher 1st round pick in the earlier twenties at this point as opposed to absorbing the contract of Deshawn Stevenson which ends in 2011 so that they can keep adding younger talent and be prepared for Duncan's departure.

Nazr improved the Spurs. Spurs were contenders yes. But Nazr improved their chances from 4 to 1 to probably 2 to 1 that year.

As long as Spurs are in the playoff hunt they will try to make moves to improve their roster to enhance their chances to compete for a championship.

Of course Spurs wouldn't want to have to include a 1st rounder for Haywood. I'm sure they didn't want to include a 1st to get Kurt Thomas or Nazr. But they had to since the teams they were dealing with wanted assets for the FUTURE such as picks as compensation; since the other pieces in the deal didn't help the Sonics and Knicks situation for NOW or for the future.

[blkroadrunners]

Warriors waive Craig Claxton:

http://warriors.blogs.pressdemocrat....hy-it-matters/

Think the Spurs should pick him up just as a 3rd string PG?

[TD 21]

On second thought, I've once again devised another theoretical trade in which the Spurs could acquire Camby. It's one that satisfies all three teams needs...

Clippers get: Butler

Spurs get: Camby

Wizards get: Mason, Bonner, Finley, Splitter, 1st round pick

A quick note: Ratliff could technically be put into the package instead of Finley, but it's irrelevant, as I suspect the Wizards would immediately buy out either and allow them to sign with a contender. My guess is both, particularly Finley, would re-up with the Spurs for the remainder of the season.

Why each team would do this

Clippers: Admittedly looking for an impact player now, rather than waiting for the summer, have a need for a starting SF and are unlikely to attract anyone better than Butler.

Spurs: It's obvious why they'd do this, so I won't even bother getting into this, other than to say the only reason they'd consider not doing this is if they value Splitter so much that they can't bring themselves to part with him for an injury prone, 35-year old player.

Wizards: They're looking to re-build, reportedly prefer to move Butler before Jamison and would not only get a cadre of expiring contracts, but a 1st round pick and a quality prospect who could (if they trade or don't re-sign Haywood) theoretically step into their starting center spot next season, if they're successful in convincing him to come to the NBA.

[Sean Cagney]

Warriors waive Craig Claxton:

http://warriors.blogs.pressdemocrat....hy-it-matters/

Think the Spurs should pick him up just as a 3rd string PG?

LOL that Craig really threw me off man, NEVER heard him called that before in my life...

[Chieflion]

Nazr improved the Spurs. Spurs were contenders yes. But Nazr improved their chances from 4 to 1 to probably 2 to 1 that year.

As long as Spurs are in the playoff hunt they will try to make moves to improve their roster to enhance their chances to compete for a championship.

Of course Spurs wouldn't want to have to include a 1st rounder for Haywood. I'm sure they didn't want to include a 1st to get Kurt Thomas or Nazr. But they had to since the teams they were dealing with wanted assets for the FUTURE such as picks as compensation; since the other pieces in the deal didn't help the Sonics and Knicks situation for NOW or for the future.

I still have the defensive big man like Haywood near the top of the needed list no doubt. Let's see the Spurs needs this season, I will list them and you will see how ridiculously flawed this team really is. This team has heavily regressed since last season. I hate giving up 1st round picks year after year. You would think this has bitten the Spurs up in the ass already.

Perimeter defender (Battier, Iggy)
Interior defender and prsence (Haywood, Camby, Dalembert)
Perimeter playmaker (Iggy, Butler)
Back-up tweener forward (Ryan Gomes)
Back-up PG (Ramon Sessions)

Now, I consider George Hill as a 2-guard, so I think a back-up point guard is really necessary, but he really doesn't have to be as good as Sessions. Notice how the 76ers and the Wizards have two players that fit the description of the upper needs of the Spurs and the Wolves have two of them as well. Since Manu, can't carry the Spurs anymore, I really wanted Iggy, but it is near impossible.

[MaNu4Tres]

On second thought, I've once again devised another theoretical trade in which the Spurs could acquire Camby. It's one that satisfies all three teams needs...

Clippers get: Butler

Spurs get: Camby

Wizards get: Mason, Bonner, Finley, Splitter, 1st round pick

A quick note: Ratliff could technically be put into the package instead of Finley, but it's irrelevant, as I suspect the Wizards would immediately buy out either and allow them to sign with a contender. My guess is both, particularly Finley, would re-up with the Spurs for the remainder of the season.





Why each team would do this

Clippers: Admittedly looking for an impact player now, rather than waiting for the summer, have a need for a starting SF and are unlikely to attract anyone better than Butler.

Spurs: It's obvious why they'd do this, so I won't even bother getting into this, other than to say the only reason they'd consider not doing this is if they value Splitter so much that they can't bring themselves to part with him for an injury prone, 35-year old player.

Wizards: They're looking to re-build, reportedly prefer to move Butler before Jamison and would not only get a cadre of expiring contracts, but a 1st round pick and a quality prospect who could (if they trade or don't re-sign Haywood) theoretically step into their starting center spot next season, if they're successful in convincing him to come to the NBA.

Better trade proposal than most on here,

My question is this,

If Spurs only plan on playing Camby 20-25 minutes (not even half the game) at best (Like how they used Kurt Thomas in the 2008 playoffs) , would a 1st round pick and Splitter be worth it for the Spurs?

Do you think cutting Blair and McDyess' minutes in favor of a center who's best days are behind him and is on his last legs improves the Spurs?

[MaNu4Tres]

I still have the defensive big man like Haywood near the top of the needed list no doubt. Let's see the Spurs needs this season, I will list them and you will see how ridiculously flawed this team really is. This team has heavily regressed since last season. I hate giving up 1st round picks year after year. You would think this has bitten the Spurs up in the ass already.

Perimeter defender (Battier, Iggy)
Interior defender and prsence (Haywood, Camby, Dalembert)
Perimeter playmaker (Iggy, Butler)
Back-up tweener forward (Ryan Gomes)
Back-up PG (Ramon Sessions)

Now, I consider George Hill as a 2-guard, so I think a back-up point guard is really necessary, but he really doesn't have to be as good as Sessions. Notice how the 76ers and the Wizards have two players that fit the description of the upper needs of the Spurs and the Wolves have two of them as well. Since Manu, can't carry the Spurs anymore, I really wanted Iggy, but it is near impossible.

I think everything that is not bolded is irrelevant and Spurs shouldn't be worried about. Back up tweener forward is over-rated and a back up point guard is not what this team needs. George Hill is perfectly fine being a point guard 10-15 minutes a game. He's done the best job at back up point than any back up point guard the Spurs have had the past 10 years.

[TJastal]

Better trade proposal than most on here,

My question is this,

If Spurs only plan on playing Camby 20-25 minutes (not even half the game) at best (Like how they used Kurt Thomas in the 2008 playoffs) , would a 1st round pick and Splitter be worth it for the Spurs?

Do you think cutting Blair and McDyess' minutes in favor of a center who's best days are behind him and is on his last legs improves the Spurs?

Camby is too old at this point to help IMO. Spurs frontline needs to youth and athleticism. Mahinmi is perfect for this role.

The suns thought Robin Lopez was a scrub till they gave him a legitimate chance to play and all of a sudden the suns are winning games again.

[Ice009]

Warriors waive Craig Claxton:

http://warriors.blogs.pressdemocrat....hy-it-matters/

Think the Spurs should pick him up just as a 3rd string PG?

Is he hurt? Can he play?

[SenorSpur]

Nazr improved the Spurs. Spurs were contenders yes. But Nazr improved their chances from 4 to 1 to probably 2 to 1 that year.

As long as Spurs are in the playoff hunt they will try to make moves to improve their roster to enhance their chances to compete for a championship.

Of course Spurs wouldn't want to have to include a 1st rounder for Haywood. I'm sure they didn't want to include a 1st to get Kurt Thomas or Nazr. But they had to since the teams they were dealing with wanted assets for the FUTURE such as picks as compensation; since the other pieces in the deal didn't help the Sonics and Knicks situation for NOW or for the future.

As an aging team, that is facing a rebuilding effort in the next year or two, the Spurs can ill-afford to keep throwing away picks and at the same time improving the rosters of other teams. No more jettisoning 1st round picks.

The Spurs were incredibly fortunate in last year's NBA draft, by having DeJuan Blair literally fall into their laps at the #37 pick of the second round. This despite not having a 1st round pick because of the Kurt Thomas trade the year before.

First round picks are like gold. They are precious assets. No more giving away picks.

[Chieflion]

I think everything that is not bolded is irrelevant and Spurs shouldn't be worried about. Back up tweener forward is over-rated and a back up point guard is not what this team needs. George Hill is perfectly fine being a point guard 10-15 minutes a game. He's done the best job at back up point than any back up point guard the Spurs have had the past 10 years.

That's ok. I had them at the bottom of my list anyway. I just thought that since the Spurs always get burned by tweener atheltic forwards, they needed one too. If anyone thinks George Hill can play PG, so be it. I really have no complaints about that.

[HarlemHeat37]

I disagree..if we can get a good asset for this year by adding the 1st round pick as a sweetener, I'm all for it..we already have Blair and Hill for next year, we have Hairston being developed as a rotation player for next year, and there's the potential addition of De Colo as a D-League player or even better if he impresses in Summer League(assuming the buyout works out)..there's also the potential big signing of Splitter..

I wouldn't give up a 1st rounder AND Splitter for Camby, but I would do it for Thomas/Salmons or Haywood+the inside track at signing him to a multi-year contract..

[Ice009]

Is he hurt? In NBA years he is almost dead.

Well I guess it was a stupid question lol. No need to rub it in Phila .

I haven't seen him play so I guess he is hurt? If he's not hurt then he must not play because his game has regressed, but could it have regressed that much?

[MaNu4Tres]

Camby is too old at this point to help IMO. Spurs frontline needs to youth and athleticism. Mahinmi is perfect for this role.

The suns thought Robin Lopez was a scrub till they gave him a legitimate chance to play and all of a sudden the suns are winning games again.

That is why I'm in favor of an all around wing acquisition opposed to a big man. I don't think there's a big man out there besides Amare that's good enough to make a significant impact. What I mean by significant impact is that he's significantly better than what we already have (Blair/ McDyess) and will get 28-35 minutes a night because he's that good. I don't think Camby or Haywood are that.

I'd target an upgrade in an all around wing first and foremost if I'm the Spurs because that's where the play has been so erratic all season offensively ( as shown in this thread http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145650 ) and defensively they have been terrible as a group. This upgrade would take over the Mason/Bogans/ Finley combination and spell some of Hill, Manu and Jefferson's minutes at the wing whichever is struggling.


I would love a trade for both a wing and big. But if I had to choose between one or the other. I think an upgrade all around wing would improve the Spurs more.

[TD 21]

Better trade proposal than most on here,

My question is this,

If Spurs only plan on playing Camby 20-25 minutes (not even half the game) at best (Like how they used Kurt Thomas in the 2008 playoffs) , would a 1st round pick and Splitter be worth it for the Spurs?

Do you think cutting Blair and McDyess' minutes in favor of a center who's best days are behind him and is on his last legs improves the Spurs?

My guess is Camby would play 25-30 mpg actually and that's because I'd expect, at least by the playoffs, the Spurs to go to a three man big rotation, featuring Duncan, McDyess and Camby.

I know what you're saying, but if the Spurs think that Camby gives them an opportunity to legitimately compete for a championship, then they'd probably do it (like I said, though, it depends on how highly they value Splitter).

Camby is still an elite rebounder/shot-blocker. It improves the chances, how much I'm not sure. If I had to guess, my sense is Thomas and Pargo for expiring contracts is the trade the Spurs will make, if they make one at all. Here's why...


But that figure doesn't include a $14.2 million cap hold for Tyrus Thomas, space that must be allocated to him that includes the $6.3 million qualifying offer he'll be due as a restricted free agent. That's why league sources believe the Bulls will try to package Thomas in a significant deal for expiring contracts -- such as a proposal under consideration that would also send Kirk Hinrich to Boston for Ray Allen's $19.7 million expiring deal -- or in a separate deal to one of several Western Conference contenders that have inquired about Thomas' availability. If the Bulls could move Hinrich and Thomas -- who has long been attractive to the Celtics -- they'd be looking at more than $20 million of space. If they could find a taker for John Salmons, they'd be closing in on enough money to land two significant free agents. While everyone continues to focus on the Knicks and Nets as potential winners of the free-agent summer of 2010, this scenario would put the Bulls in a position to steal the show. CBSSports.com


The more I think about it, the more I think the Spurs are interested in an athletic, mobile four, mainly for defensive purposes. Granted, he's more limited than Camby, but if the Spurs really valued having another rim protecting center, wouldn't they play Ratliff more? People can talk about saving him for the playoffs all they want, the reality it's not like he'll ever be needed for 30 mpg.

[Ice009]

I disagree..if we can get a good asset for this year by adding the 1st round pick as a sweetener, I'm all for it..we already have Blair and Hill for next year, we have Hairston being developed as a rotation player for next year, and there's the potential addition of De Colo as a D-League player or even better if he impresses in Summer League(assuming the buyout works out)..there's also the potential big signing of Splitter..

I wouldn't give up a 1st rounder AND Splitter for Camby, but I would do it for Thomas/Salmons or Haywood+the inside track at signing him to a multi-year contract..

I'm on board with giving up a first round pick.

I have now asked this question numerous times, but no one has answered until now. If the deal is right would anyone be willing to include Splitter to get a deal done?

The Haywood one if a perfect example. If we have to give them Splitter and can resign Haywood to a multi year deal is it worth it? There aren't many players I would give up Splitter for though, but Haywood might be one.

[TJastal]

That is why I'm in favor of an all around wing acquisition opposed to a big man. I don't think there's a big man out there besides Amare that's good enough to make a significant impact. What I mean by significant impact is that he's significantly better than what we already have (Blair/ McDyess) and will get 28-35 minutes a night because he's that good. I don't think Camby or Haywood are that.

I'd target an upgrade in an all around wing first and foremost if I'm the Spurs because that's where the play has been so erratic all season offensively ( as shown in this thread http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145650 ) and defensively they have been terrible as a group. This upgrade would take over the Mason/Bogans/ Finley combination and spell some of Hill, Manu and Jefferson's minutes at the wing whichever is struggling.


I would love a trade for both a wing and big. But if I had to choose between one or the other. I think an upgrade all around wing would improve the Spurs more.

I agree a wing to play Bogans/Finley minutes would be nice..

why not try Malik Hairston?