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    I agree in principle. When I post about Jefferson vs. Hariston, Jerrels, etc., I'm posting with Pop's veteran-love in mind. We cant lose sight of the fact that he's got a hard-on for vets and he simply wont fill the floor with the likes of Hill, Anderson, Blair, and Gee at the same time.
    Pop may not have a choice....... also, if we do sign Splitter, he is another young, inexperienced guy.

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    RJ's defense was and his offense was . Not gonna be hard to fill his void. The only thing it hurts is our depth. RJ making or breaking our team? Really??

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    young, athletic and a body. being a body alone makes him equal to the output of Jefferson.

    Yeah just having someone "out there"

    Great analysis.

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    i still dont know why he isnt slotted into the salary for when he was a first round draft pick.


    is it because he stayed in europe?


    still i thought signing a first rounder brought along different 'rules' than second rounders or free agents.
    From Larry Coon's FAQ (http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm): "When a team signs a first round draft pick within three years after he is drafted, they use the salary scale for the year in which he signs (usually the player signs in the same year he is drafted). After three years they have the option of either using the salary scale or signing him like he was a free agent -- using their cap room, the Mid-Level exception, the exception or the Disabled Player exception, and with standard raises. They can only do the latter if the player did not play intercollegiately in the interim, and such a contract must be for at least three seasons."

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    I'm still dying laughing at the thought that no jump shot Hairston is the "replacement"
    I'm with you on this one.

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    Christmas morning in Spurs front office with Richard Jefferson opting out of $15 million. Incredible.
    What? Mr. Sunshine EricB thinks everything's in the ter now.

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    , it might not even be Malik at all. He is no lock. But a trade (Hill or Blair for a SF), or an LLE player or a young guy could all replace RJ and fit better.

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    Yeah just having someone "out there"

    Great analysis.
    are you the guy RJ left his fiance at the alter for? why are you so far up his ass? he was worthless on the court. why does someone have to remind you of his inability to insert himself, rotate, and become a team player?

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    so if RJ leaves and we are a little bit under the cap, that does that mean we can take back a player via trade from one of the teams wanting to get even more cap space without giving up anybody in return? (Deng, W. Chandler, etc..)
    We are not under the salary cap, but the luxury tax line. There are two different "caps" when thinking about the two.

    If the Spurs were under the cap, they could trade for a player who's salary would not push them over the cap and not give anything in return (in theory).

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    I look at this as a positive as it now gives the Spurs room to really do a trade.

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    , it might not even be Malik at all. He is no lock. But a trade (Hill or Blair for a SF), or an LLE player or a young guy could all replace RJ and fit better.
    So, now you are trading away our two best young players to replace RJ, who, in your estimation, was worthless to begin with.

    I think your bucket has a hole in it.

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    I agree with most of what DPG is saying. Talent means nothing. Production means everything. Richard Jefferson was barely a league average player last year.

    I believe this is a good thing for the Spurs because Jefferson played soft all year and that wasn't likely to change with familiarity. I know this is a subjective thing, but he's just a soft player imo. Gimme a guy with less talent that busts his ass over a great talent who gets passive when his coach yells at him. I'd really be shocked if Jefferson is ever anything more than a bit player on a championship team.

    I don't believe the Spurs are going to sign him back to a more cap friendly deal. It was so far from working last year, can they really want to commit long term on the chance that it will work in the future? Is there any evidence it would work in the future? As much as we want to go all-in this year, there is basketball after Tim retires. You still have to be responsible.

    I do think there is some credence to the talk of a sign and trade, though.

    I wish we could get Mbah a Moute and let Engelland get a hold of him.

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    Could be a good move for us could be a bad move... time will only tell. Fact is the Spurs need someone better than Malik Hairston to be the starting SF.

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    I can see people's worries and we won't know until next year. But I was not expecting some magical jump for RJ next year.
    neither do I but I would have welcomed even a slight improvement.

    Add Tiago in the mix and Pop wouldn't have used anymore RJ as PF, less small ball + anderson coming to give us the shooting we need and I was quite happy with next season roster.

    Now what ? expect hairston / temple and anderson will provide 30 quality minutes every game ? It's a difficult gamble especially when this is maybe the last Tim Duncan season

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    hariston plays way better d than jefferson, hariston can score better than jefferson, so whats so funny? get off of rj's balls hariston>rj, and hariston would of proved it if he would of played more

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    I look at this as a positive as it now gives the Spurs room to really do a trade.
    Really?

    Other teams banging down the door for Malik Hairston are they?

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    James Anderson better be able to shoot the ball at the NBA level.


    Couple that with Splitter arriving and finding a suitable point guard and some bench depth and this team could be ok as it is now.

    I still fully believe this is your starting lineup next year:


    C Splitter
    PF Duncan
    SF Manu
    SG Hill
    PG Parker

    Top reserves:

    Anderson
    Blair
    McDyess
    (add in a wing)
    (add in a point)


    I'd take my chances with that as long as everyone stays healthy. If they dont then it really doesnt matter anyway.

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    Yeah just having someone "out there"

    Great analysis.
    Plenty of people have talked about the statistical production on offense, rebounding and the more-or-less intangible relative defensive production.

    Its very easy to quantify what needs replacing and quite frankly because Jefferson was so bad, its not that hard.

    Hairston at this point would make the most sense to replace him in the starting lineup but whats important is how the 31 mpg are divvied up.

    Your histrionics and stupidity are entertaining and all but you bring no insight whatsoever.

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    i still dont know why he isnt slotted into the salary for when he was a first round draft pick.


    is it because he stayed in europe?


    still i thought signing a first rounder brought along different 'rules' than second rounders or free agents.
    I'm pretty sure that a player essentially becomes an "unsigned FA" after the three year mark of being drafted, but the team that drafts that player still retains his rights of course. The team is then no longer limited by the first round salary scale.

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    I'm still dying laughing at the thought that no jump shot Hairston is the "replacement"
    Yeah, and RJ's jumpshot was soooo money, right?

    Good riddance. RJ sucked. Stick any Austin Toro in that spot, and he'll match RJ's numbers at a fraction of the price, and we're going to need that dough.

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    So, now you are trading away our two best young players to replace RJ, who, in your estimation, was worthless to begin with.

    I think your bucket has a hole in it.
    Where did I say he was worthless? I said his production would not be hard to replace and if the Spurs could get a better fit, even with less overall talent, it would be a net gain.

    Looks like you have nothing of significance to add.

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    I can't believe it's come to this after the excitement of the trade last summer.

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    I see what you mean but I'm sure he would find a min two years deal for 6 million min after the next season if not in the nba at least in Europe. My bet is he has something around 30 million for 3 maybe 4 years offer
    I'd be very surprised if someone offered him that, even the teams that inevitably miss on all of the big names.

    I'm not too worried about the situation the Spurs find themselves in. If the Spurs value RJ and believe that he's a long-term fit, they'll have a good chance to re-sign him to a reasonable deal. If RJ didn't fit in the locker room or if they believe he's a horrible fit, they have a good chance to S&T him. If RJ leaves and the Spurs have to replace him with a minimum-type player, at least that player will either be a better shooter or defender than RJ.

    The main problem with RJ is his defense and shooting are weakspots ... and those are the two areas the Spurs need their small forward to stand out. If Splitter comes and TP regains his footing, the Spurs can cover the points they'll miss out with RJ leaving. In that sense, a role player who can either defend or shoot lights out isn't a bad option.

    Now if the Spurs miss out on Splitter, I'll really start to worry. No Splitter and no RJ and the Spurs might as well start rebuilding.
    Excellent post.

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    So if RJ opting out is so bad for the Spurs (as in screwing the depth chart), why are all the analysts (Woj, Stein, even Bill Simmons) acting like the Spurs just won the lottery? What are we missing?

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    James Anderson better be able to shoot the ball at the NBA level.


    Couple that with Splitter arriving and finding a suitable point guard and some bench depth and this team could be ok as it is now.

    I still fully believe this is your starting lineup next year:


    C Splitter
    PF Duncan
    SF Manu
    SG Hill
    PG Parker

    Top reserves:

    Anderson
    Blair
    McDyess
    (add in a wing)
    (add in a point)


    I'd take my chances with that as long as everyone stays healthy. If they dont then it really doesnt matter anyway.
    that bench is garbage. tp and manu would be dead by christmas.

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