Spurs fielding trade calls for Parker

[will_spurs]

This link gives a lot of insight on how another team might view RJeff:

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2011/6...cramento-kings

They say he would be the best SF on the team. That's a reality check that Spurfan hasn't had to deal with in a few decades. We've been spoiled by the likes of Elliott, Horry, and Bowen.

The thing is, RJ isn't half as bad as we think he is. He happens to be extremely bad in the Spurs system... put him in a run & gun offense (the Spurs circa nov 10) and he's going to be a lot better. It will be hard to convince other teams of that, but I can imagine some teams at least are looking at him that way. Of course the idea of a serviceable SF with a $10m per year contract isn't probably appealing in general, but each and every team has a skeleton in the closet. It's all about figuring out which dead bodies are suddenly going to spring to life in the right system/environment. I can easily imagine that a run & gun offense powered by TP and RJ would be better than anything the Kings have had in the past 10 years.

[lurker23]

I agree with everyone who is saying that trading TP for a bag of chips just to get rid of RJ's contract is inexcusable.

If you're really determined to get rid of RJ, there are a lot of other routes you could go. The most successful one would probably be to pair him with McDyess's contract, and take 1-3 guys from another team that amount to $16 million in contracts. You'd basically have to take bad contracts to get rid of the bad contract, but you can probably accomplish one or both of the following:

a.) Get guys that fit better into the system than RJ, and
b.) Get guys with only 1-2 years on their contracts, as opposed to RJ's 3 years.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

RT @Preine_PtR: RT @IamaGM Jazz offered Devin Harris and No. 12 pick to Spurs for Tony Parker

I'd counter offer Parker, Bonner, and our first rounder this year for Harris, Millsap, and the 12.

[baseline bum]

I'd counter offer Parker, Blair, and our first rounder this year for Harris, Millsap, and the 12.

I wouldn't make any trade with Utah that didn't involve Favors.

[Mr. Body]

I'd listen to a Parker for Nash kind of trade.

[baseline bum]

I'd laugh at a Parker for Nash kind of trade. I'd rather do the ty Batum deal than that.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I wouldn't make any trade with Utah that didn't involve Favors.

I agree with you on that idea, but I'm also guessing that Favors is the one guy off limits up there. We could probably get Al Jefferson out of there before Favors.

I've come to accept the idea that we're going to trade Tony, and this deal would beat the out of any of the Sacto/Toronto trash.

[baseline bum]

I agree with you on that idea, but I'm also guessing that Favors is the one guy off limits up there. We could probably get Al Jefferson out of there before Favors.

I've come to accept the idea that we're going to trade Tony, and this deal would beat the out of any of the Sacto/Toronto trash.

I'd rather have the 5th or 7th than Harris. If you trade Parker it has to be for a young player with a high ceiling. Not 28 year-olds who peaked 5 years ago.

[Agloco]

I'd laugh at a Parker for Nash kind of trade. I'd rather do the ty Batum deal than that.

If Nash was, say 32 or so, I'd think long and hard about it. At 38? No way.

[timvp]

So no one believes that they can trade Parker and still be a contender for next season? While trading him does show a sign of rebuilding, I don't necessarily believe that they must go all out and revamp the whole team. It could be rebuilding just for having security in a couple seasons.

To trade TP and still be a contender, they'd need to get a great haul. Something like an above average point guard along with two or three quality role players.

But with the Spurs trying to include RJ in a TP trade, there's no way they get anything close to that. By including RJ, the most you can hope to get back is probably two decent players and a draft pick.

In such a scenario, I agree with baseline bum. If you trade TP for peanuts, you might as well trade Ginobili now. And then you have to have serious talks with TD about what he wants to do.

Personally, I want the Spurs to give it one final shot. But if the front office wants to move toward rebuilding, I don't want it to be half-assed rebuilding. Either keep trucking or tear it down. Nothing else makes sense.

[ChumpDumper]

You never trade Ginobili.

It makes no business sense.

[Mr. Body]

I'd laugh at a Parker for Nash kind of trade. I'd rather do the ty Batum deal than that.

No, I think Simmons is right. Nash is a warrior who could punch through a series or two next year. Parker clearly cannot. At this stage you need hungry guys who need to win now.

[Mr. Body]

I'd also be interested in getting Billups.

[baseline bum]

No, I think Simmons is right. Nash is a warrior who could punch through a series or two next year. Parker clearly cannot. At this stage you need hungry guys who need to win now.

I gotta strongly disagree about Nash. I don't see how you add one of the worst defensive players in the history of the game to a team already struggling defensively and expect to do anything. If you trade Parker, it's gotta be for the future.

[Mr. Body]

I gotta strongly disagree about Nash. I don't see how you add one of the worst defensive players in the history of the game to a team already struggling defensively and expect to do anything. If you trade Parker, it's gotta be for the future.

I do agree, which is why I wouldn't go full-force into it. At least listen to what a deal might be.

But I disagree on the last point. This team has no future. You play for next year, and that's about it.

[SenorSpur]

You don't think he's too raw? He's got no offense to speak of. I'd also be weary of him being a fouling machine for the first year at least.

He is raw - very raw, but he's already a superb NBA rebounder and interior defender. He could be an instant game-changer on that end of the court, right off the bat.

As for his offense, yes he's pretty thin and underdeveloped there, but he's no Ben Wallace either. He's got more low-post offense than has been reported. If he gets a pass on the block, with his back to the basket, he's got a couple of go-to moves already. He's got a nice baby hook and a quick baseline spin move. So there is something to work with there.

[baseline bum]

I do agree, which is why I wouldn't go full-force into it. At least listen to what a deal might be.

But I disagree on the last point. This team has no future. You play for next year, and that's about it.

This team has no future? Of course it doesn't if you don't want to use Parker to try to give them one.

[TDMVPDPOY]

parker + rj + bonner + blair for lebron....

[DPG21920]

I hope the Spurs sit tight tonight. Give it time to play out and get better deals towards the deadline if they want to make moves.

[baseline bum]

He is raw - very raw, but he's already a superb NBA rebounder and interior defender. He could be an instant game-changer on that end of the court, right off the bat.

As for his offense, yes he's pretty thin and underdeveloped there, but he's no Ben Wallace either. He's got more low-post offense than has been reported. If he gets a pass on the block, with his back to the basket, he's got a couple of go-to moves already. He's got a nice baby hook and a quick baseline spin move. So there is something to work with there.

I'd love to have Biyombo; not at the expense of Parker, but if the team can get him cheaply then yes. However, dude has no offensive game whatsoever. All he could do in the Nike Hoop Summit was score on put backs. If he can't put moves on high-schoolers I don't see him taking Kevin Garnett on the block. Still, what a phenomenal defender this guy will be after a couple of years in the league.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Cavs reportedly trying to get Parker now too. I'm guessing they're dangling #4 and some players, that'd free them up to take Williams #1.

I don't see anyone from that squad that would be worth it. Pass.

[JR3]

Utah wants Jimmer at 12, so I don't think the Spurs will trade for their pick.

[baseline bum]

I hope the Spurs sit tight tonight. Give it time to play out and get better deals towards the deadline if they want to make moves.

Yeah, if they don't blow the team up this year, then Parker will be a critical piece to try to trade in the top 10 of the 2012 draft when Tim retires and the team is truly dismantled.

[baseline bum]

Cavs reportedly trying to get Parker now too. I'm guessing they're dangling #4 and some players, that'd free them up to take Williams #1.

I don't see anyone from that squad that would be worth it. Pass.

#4 and their unprotected 1st rounder next year would be worth trading for. Cleveland has made stupider moves in the past.

[admiralfats]

To trade TP and still be a contender, they'd need to get a great haul. Something like an above average point guard along with two or three quality role players.

But with the Spurs trying to include RJ in a TP trade, there's no way they get anything close to that. By including RJ, the most you can hope to get back is probably two decent players and a draft pick.

In such a scenario, I agree with baseline bum. If you trade TP for peanuts, you might as well trade Ginobili now. And then you have to have serious talks with TD about what he wants to do.

Personally, I want the Spurs to give it one final shot. But if the front office wants to move toward rebuilding, I don't want it to be half-assed rebuilding. Either keep trucking or tear it down. Nothing else makes sense.

If they blew up the team, the FO would essentially be driving Timmy out. I say no way they do that. They're gonna try "til the wheels fall off."

I think with all the talks and speculations, they MUST see something they think gives us a shot at next year, and they're trying to make it happen. What that is...I have no idea.

I'm inclined to believe it's actually GH3 for a pick where we take some big man that we like. I read that we worked out motiejunas, and he's really the only other guy I saw we worked out who is someone we'd need to trade up to get. With very limited info, I'd again like to reiterate that i have no idea what's going to happen tonight.

But I trust the FO, because they have a pretty sterling record in the draft, and if they're gonna make noise it must be for some very good reason.

Sounds like motiejunas is more of an offensive guy than defensive, but maybe the spurs see something in him. I know the bonner haters will say, "great, another 7 foot jump shooter," but...I trust the FO. They sure have a lot of makes in the draft, whichever direction we end up going.