Yahoo: Spurs' talks for Andrei Kirilenko end without deal

[TheGoldStandard]

Cleveland, if healthy look to be at least in the picture in the bottom half of the East.

[monkeypunk]

Well, more dominoes should fall now.

[Hoops Czar]

Not really.

If AK47 was their top free agent choice, he should have been a priority over spare parts like Pendergragh, who'll be lucky to see any meaningful minutes this season. I'm pretty sure their wasn't a huge market for Pendergragh and he probably could have been had for cheap. If the Spurs want to sign and trade with Minny, they are going to have to find a third team willing to take Bonner, Neal, and possibly one of Mills/De Colo. The Spurs can send a second round draft pick Minnesota's way paving the way for AK47. Flip is trying to do what's best for Minnesota and just maybe he isn't as interested in the packages the Spurs had to offer.

[DesignatedT]

AK to Dallas coming in 3..2..1

[spurraider21]

AK to Dallas coming in 3..2..1

Nazis and Soviets united

[tesseractive]

Them dumping Ridnour gives them the cap space to just sign both outright. But according to the article, they want to sign-and-trade for Martin, which is a move a team only does when they don't have cap space (for the most part). Then they want to use the remainder of their cap space on Brewer.

They could just use Ridnour's dump to get Martin and the MLE to get Brewer, which they could do without renouncing Kirilenko.

Why do you need to dump Ridnour at all to get Martin in a sign and trade?

[Chinook]

Why do you need to dump Ridnour at all to get Martin in a sign and trade?

They can just sign Martin with cap space (which could include a sign-and-trade), but then they wouldn't be able to sign Brewer, since they'd only have the room exception at that point. Acquiring Martin in a sign-and-trade using Ridnour means they can stay over the cap and use the MLE still.

[monkeypunk]

AK to Dallas coming in 3..2..1

$$$ - yes
Contender - no

Lets see if he was being honest. Probably not.

[benefactor]

If AK47 was their top free agent choice, he should have been a priority over spare parts like Pendergragh, who'll be lucky to see any meaningful minutes this season. I'm pretty sure their wasn't a huge market for Pendergragh and he probably could have been had for cheap. If the Spurs want to sign and trade with Minny, they are going to have to find a third team willing to take Bonner, Neal, and possibly one of Mills/De Colo. The Spurs can send a second round draft pick Minnesota's way paving the way for AK47. Flip is trying to do what's best for Minnesota and just maybe he isn't as interested in the packages the Spurs had to offer.

ok

[spurraider21]

$$$ - yes
Contender - no

Lets see if he was being honest. Probably not.

there's gotta be a contender that offers him at least a decent contract first. as it stands, the spurs aren't really positioned to do so, in which case it makes sense to play for the highest bidder. still, i doubt the mavs are going to give him multiple years, and AK wouldn't sign a 1 year deal. heck, he turned down 1 year 10 mil, so why would he go to dallas and sign a 1 year deal worth less than that?

[HemisfairArena]

there's gotta be a contender that offers him at least a decent contract first. as it stands, the spurs aren't really positioned to do so, in which case it makes sense to play for the highest bidder. still, i doubt the mavs are going to give him multiple years, and AK wouldn't sign a 1 year deal. heck, he turned down 1 year 10 mil, so why would he go to dallas and sign a 1 year deal worth less than that?

Finally...someone that gets it. when we re-signed Manu and Splitter, we had no shot at Kilirenko. He opted out of a 10 mil deal. He isnt going to sign for peanuts in San Antonio.

[tesseractive]

They can just sign Martin with cap space (which could include a sign-and-trade), but then they wouldn't be able to sign Brewer, since they'd only have the room exception at that point. Acquiring Martin in a sign-and-trade using Ridnour means they can stay over the cap and use the MLE still.

The basic premise, though, is if they're over the cap, that they have to ship out enough salary to take back salary in a sign and trade?

[ducks]

what team that truly has a shot at le has more then the mle
NAMES PLEASE

[spursfan4ever]

AK to Dallas coming in 3..2..1

That is what I said earlier in this thread. Asshole Cuban would do that to us. er!

[tesseractive]

Would playing AK next to Dirk make any sense whatsoever?

[Chinook]

The basic premise, though, is if they're over the cap, that they have to ship out enough salary to take back salary in a sign and trade?

That's the thing. The Wolves shouldn't need to do a sign-and-trade at all. Dumping Ridnour should give them enough cap space to sign both players outright. If they do a sign-and-trade for Martin while still renouncing Kirilenko and signing Brewer with cap space, they will literally be just giving OKC a trade exception (not to mention a pick or something else to fill out the trade) for no reason. The only benefit of doing the sign-and-trade is to allow them to keep AK Non-Bird Rights in their back pocket.

[spurraider21]

That's the thing. The Wolves shouldn't need to do a sign-and-trade at all. Dumping Ridnour should give them enough cap space to sign both players outright. If they do a sign-and-trade for Martin while still renouncing Kirilenko and signing Brewer with cap space, they will literally be just giving OKC a trade exception for nothing. The only benefit of doing the sign-and-trade is to allow them to keep AK Non-Bird Rights in their back pocket.

okc possibly throwing a couple of 2nd rounders in there for the exception?

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Would playing AK next to Dirk make any sense whatsoever?

Dirk will need to up the deodorant protection he wears if he plays with Dirk.

[Chinook]

okc possibly throwing a couple of 2nd rounders in there for the exception?

The Wolves actually have to give OKC a pick or something for the trade to go through in the first place. It's possible that OKC would give them a better one back, but even so, I don't think the Thunder would give up that much.

[HemisfairArena]

How sick would it be if Atlanta signed Kirilenko since Smith left? Ferry and coach Bud beating us at our own game and they have the money.

[spurraider21]

The Wolves actually have to give OKC a pick or something for the trade to go through in the first place. It's possible that OKC would give them a better one back, but even so, I don't think the Thunder would give up that much.

well, OKC could give something like one or two 2nd round picks for a top 55 protected 2nd rounder just to make it work

[Chinook]

well, OKC could give something like one or two 2nd round picks for a top 55 protected 2nd rounder just to make it work

And they could. Even so, the Wolves should still use their MLE on Brewer instead of cap space. That would give them a lot more time to work out a sign-and-trade with a team for AK. If they can get a third team to take Bonner and Mills, then they can get another pick out of the Spurs while also gaining a valuable trade exception.

[tesseractive]

That's the thing. The Wolves shouldn't need to do a sign-and-trade at all. Dumping Ridnour should give them enough cap space to sign both players outright. If they do a sign-and-trade for Martin while still renouncing Kirilenko and signing Brewer with cap space, they will literally be just giving OKC a trade exception (not to mention a pick or something else to fill out the trade) for no reason. The only benefit of doing the sign-and-trade is to allow them to keep AK Non-Bird Rights in their back pocket.

So if that's the case, the moves that have happened so far are actually an indication that the talks are still ongoing, yes?

[spurraider21]

And they could. Even so, the Wolves should still use their MLE on Brewer instead of cap space. That would give them a lot more time to work out a sign-and-trade with a team for AK. If they can get a third team to take Bonner and Mills, then they can get another pick out of the Spurs while also gaining a valuable trade exception.

According to last night's yahoo article they have no intention of facilitating Kirilenko's move to another team, sort of like how the Lakers refused to send Dwight to the Warriors in a S&T.

But if that were the case, he'd have been renounced by now, so I have no clue what's going on

[Chinook]

So if that's the case, the moves that have happened so far are actually an indication that the talks are still ongoing, yes?

Not if they use cap room to sign Brewer. That would kill the talks. They should just use the MLE on Brewer and then continue Kirilenko talks without having to worry about any deadlines. They could continue to squeeze the Spurs that way.