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    Why are you referencing a PBS graphic that was not even close to accurate?

    Since you are finally ready to discuss the witness testimonies does that mean you have actually read them?
    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...91#post7724991

    I was discussing them before and we got to the point in the link above at which point you ran away. If you want to discuss the issue of testimony with me, you can do it in that thread or not at all.

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    Kangaroo farce of TRIAL to convict Brown
    what was he convicted of?

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    what was he convicted of?
    He was in possession of Department-issued ammunition.

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    Hannity favorite ‘Witness 40′ in Wilson grand jury is a liar and convicted felon

    and jury “Witness 40,” whose testimony helped Officer Darren Wilson escape criminal charges in the fatal shooting of Michael Brown, has been revealed as a virulently racist St. Louis woman with serious credibility issues.

    The Smoking Gun reported Monday that information gathered from the unredacted portions of the grand jury transcript had identified the witness as 45-year-old Sandra McElroy, a divorced mother of five who was diagnosed as bipolar as a teenager.

    She admitted to grand jurors that she had pleaded guilty in 2007 to two counts of felony check fraud, and she also testified that she had suffered from memory problems since suffering serious head injuries in a 2001 car wreck.


    The website, which reported that details from court records matched up with the background of the witness, described McElroy as a “fabulist” whose “law enforcement interviews are deserving of multi-count perjury indictments.”
    McElroy first contacted police Sept. 11, four weeks after Wilson shot and killed the 18-year-old Brown during a confrontation – and after the officer’s version of events had been described in media accounts.
    She had been commenting on the high-profile case for weeks through her Facebook account, telling another commenter Aug. 17 that an unspecified investigative report and the autopsy had “confirmed” that Brown’s hands were
    not raised, as the teen’s friend had claimed.


    McElroy did not mention at that time that she had been present as a witness to the fatal shooting, The Smoking Gun reported.


    She continued posting online comments after meeting with St. Louis police, such as making a sarcastic comment about Brown’s ancestors being owned as slaves 200 years ago.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/h...e+Raw+Story%29





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    Hannity favorite ‘Witness 40′ in Wilson grand jury is a liar and convicted felon

    and jury “Witness 40,” whose testimony helped Officer Darren Wilson escape criminal charges in the fatal shooting of Michael Brown, has been revealed as a virulently racist St. Louis woman with serious credibility issues.

    The Smoking Gun reported Monday that information gathered from the unredacted portions of the grand jury transcript had identified the witness as 45-year-old Sandra McElroy, a divorced mother of five who was diagnosed as bipolar as a teenager.

    She admitted to grand jurors that she had pleaded guilty in 2007 to two counts of felony check fraud, and she also testified that she had suffered from memory problems since suffering serious head injuries in a 2001 car wreck.


    The website, which reported that details from court records matched up with the background of the witness, described McElroy as a “fabulist” whose “law enforcement interviews are deserving of multi-count perjury indictments.”
    McElroy first contacted police Sept. 11, four weeks after Wilson shot and killed the 18-year-old Brown during a confrontation – and after the officer’s version of events had been described in media accounts.
    She had been commenting on the high-profile case for weeks through her Facebook account, telling another commenter Aug. 17 that an unspecified investigative report and the autopsy had “confirmed” that Brown’s hands were
    not raised, as the teen’s friend had claimed.


    McElroy did not mention at that time that she had been present as a witness to the fatal shooting, The Smoking Gun reported.


    She continued posting online comments after meeting with St. Louis police, such as making a sarcastic comment about Brown’s ancestors being owned as slaves 200 years ago.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/h...e+Raw+Story%29




    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...istory_of.html

    Ferguson Witness Exposed by Smoking Gun Was Also Discredited in Front of Grand Jury by Prosecutors

    A Smoking Gun piece posted Monday reveals the iden y and checkered past of "Witness 40," who likely lied while testifying to the Darren Wilson grand jury that Michael Brown charged Wilson "like a football player" just before he died. The Smoking Gun writes that Sandra McElroy's testimony is "baked into the narrative of the Ferguson grand jury"; Gawker covered the Smoking Gun story by describing McElroy as “Darren Wilson's key witness.” But while McElroy's "like a football player" line has been repeated a number of times on Fox News, testimony transcripts themselves indicate that it's unlikely that McElroy's account was taken seriously by grand jurors.
    The Smoking Gun has collected information about McElroy's past, including social media posts and court records, indicating that she has a history of dishonesty (including check fraud and a dubious 2007 claim to have witnessed an incident in another high-profile criminal case) and racial bias (including repeated use of racial slurs). All of it certainly casts serious doubt on whether McElroy was actually anywhere near Ferguson, Missouri on the day Michael Brown died. But as the Smoking Gun alludes to only glancingly, McElroy's testimony was also extensively undercut by prosecutors themselves—in fact, a Washington Post writeup of grand jury evidence shortly after the decision not to indict Wilson referred to McElroy's testimony as “discredited,” while a similar CNN recap made clear that prosecutors doubted the logistics of her story and questioned her about racist material she'd written online.




    Indeed, a review of the grand jury do ents released by St. Louis County shows that McElroy's account was questioned openly and extensively by authorities. Grand Jury Volume 15 includes her Oct. 23 testimony in front of the grand jury, as well as a transcript of a recording of an Oct. 22 interview between McElroy and a federal prosecutor that was played for jurors. The federal prosecutor tells McElroy that her account of driving through Ferguson is physically impossible, informs her that her car can't be found in any images from the scene, solicits an admission that she "used the N-word" online a half-dozen times in relation to Brown's death, and asks her explicitly if she used media accounts to fabricate parts of her testimony. McElroy speaks about having memory problems in both the recorded interview with the federal prosecutor and the in-person interview in front of the grand jury, and tells both the federal prosecutor and the jury that she suffers from largely untreated bipolar disorder. In McElroy’s Oct. 23 testimony, the grand jury prosecution picks skeptically at her claim to have come across the Wilson-Brown encounter—which did not take place on a main road—after getting lost while trying to find a friend's apartment. (And, to repeat, the federal prosecutor's skeptical interview with McElroy was played for grand jurors that day as well.)


    As the Smoking Gun does mention, McElroy returned to the grand jury on Nov. 3 with a new story about why she was in Ferguson. In testimony in Grand Jury Volume 18, McElroy reads from a journal and attests that she was in fact travelling to the area to conduct personal research to help her understand black people (!). But the Smoking Gun doesn't mention that, in those same grand jury records, a prosecutor says (in front of jurors) that McElroy had admitted she may have gotten details of her earlier testimony off the Internet, points out that her journal entry from the morning before Brown's death is su iously detailed, and asks McElroy directly whether she may have made up or "dreamed" the events that she's testifying about. Another prosecutor tells McElroy she believes McElroy is "confused" about her own account and grills her about her animosity towards blacks and her use of racial slurs.

    Given all this warranted skepticism expressed toward Sandra McElroy in front of grand jurors by prosecutors—and the incredibly obvious flaws in her testimony itself—it's hard to believe that any sane juror, no matter how inclined to believe Darren Wilson, would have taken her testimony seriously. While the Smoking Gun's investigation is useful in undermining those in the media who would take McElroy's words out of context, it's doubtful—given the evidence currently at hand—that the grand jury's ultimate decision would have been any different had she never testified

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    Oops, bouts.

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    but the prosecutors weren't doing a good job in cross examination

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    the very un grand jury was a total farce, but if it justifies killing n!gg@ and protecting a loser cop, you right-wingers take as God's own word.

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    why must you always use offensive slurs?

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    why must you always use offensive slurs?
    Lyndon Boutons Johnson

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    she never should have been allowed to testify in the first place, let alone twice.

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    why must you always use offensive slurs?
    I speak to ya'll in your right wing language, at least your racist orientation, and of 10Ms of right-wingers

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    I speak to ya'll in your right wing language, at least your racist orientation, and of 10Ms of right-wingers
    when have you personally seen me speak that way?

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    Some Witnesses Told Obvious Lies To Michael Brown Grand Jury, Prosecutor Says


    Certain witnesses who spoke before the grand jury investigating the Aug. 9 shooting of Michael Brown told obvious lies under oath, St. Louis Prosecuting Attorney Robert McCulloch said.

    “Clearly some were not telling the truth,” he said Friday morning during an interview on KTRS-AM.

    In his first extensive interview since the grand jury decided not to indict Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson, McCulloch said he had no regrets about letting grand jury members hear from non-credible witnesses.


    “Early on I decided that anyone who claimed to have witnessed anything would be presented to the grand jury,”

    http://www.nationalmemo.com/witnesse...osecutor-says/

    iow, Mac's plan was to snow the GJ with any old crap witness repeating any old crap, and TONS of it over WEEKS, to overwhelm, confuse the jury, while the prosecution defended Wilson and convicted Brown. Mission Accomplished



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    Including Dorian Johnson?

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    prosecutor ADMITS HE KNEWE at least this one racist white-trash witness lied to the GJ, but he won't charge her with perjury. Just more proof the prosecutor/exonerator is one biased, racist mothe er, and that his entire GJ was a farce.

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    prosecutor ADMITS HE KNEWE at least this one racist white-trash witness lied to the GJ, but he won't charge her with perjury. Just more proof the prosecutor/exonerator is one biased, racist mothe er, and that his entire GJ was a farce.

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    prosecutor ADMITS HE KNEWE at least this one racist white-trash witness lied to the GJ, but he won't charge her with perjury. Just more proof the prosecutor/exonerator is one biased, racist mothe er, and that his entire GJ was a farce.

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    Officer Fatally Shoots Armed Man Near Ferguson, Police Say
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/25/us...-shooting.html


    Natives get angry again


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    Yeah...to with the facts. He was black. Lets riot!

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    Yeah...to with the facts. He was black. Lets riot!
    Yeah, that's kind of their thing now.

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    Justice For Antonio! KKKops!

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    And then they looted a QuikTrip down the street.

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    Video purporting to show the deceased pointing a handgun at the officer moments before he was shot.



    It's grainy and hard to discern but, it doesn't look like his finger.

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    Maybe he was just asking the cop to smell his finger. Smell My Finger! Don't Shoot!

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