Derozan on the trading block??

[spurspl]

Because the now matters. Folks are spamming ST acting like the world has ended simply because the Spurs are now a bottom-half-of-the-bracket playoff team rather than being at the top half. These folks aren't prepared to tank. DeRozan is not a franchise player, but he has more on-the-court value than he does on the trade market. Getting back a pick for him isn't going to make the team tangibly better than not getting back that pick. This is comparing a DeRozan trade for a guy like Porter versus a DeRozan trade for a younger but worse player. This isn't about whether to trade DeRozan at all.

If you think you can make the 2019 Spurs better with a DeRozan trade, you do it. If you think not doing it makes the 2023 Spurs worse, I don't think it's justified.

”because now matter” this “now” looks like 2nd round at most and if u keep derozan for another year and let him go away for nothing u can say goodbye playoffs for another yearS. The only hope is to improve young players, thats a reason why its so important to get someone with potential for derozan. Spurs probably wont sign a big name in FA. I see that u prefer to have another 80% to make a playoffs with 0% to reach finals than skipping playoffs now and significantly increase chances to reach finals in future. I prefer this second option bc we have a great coaches and im pissed off that they cannot get(not via trade nor draft) a highly potential guy to make him a beast.

[TD 21]

DeRozan and Horford are the ultimate litmus test of basketball knowledge in this era. Those who think the former is a legit star and the latter isn't, you know right then they're not worth listening to, reading or having a discussion with.

The Nets won't have interest in DeRozan. They not only don't lack, but have superior shot creators and just proved that they can lure a superstar and a legit star. The only teams that will have interest, will be the an hesis of that + trying to be as compe ive as possible short term.

Why would the Spur do that deal? They are probably as good or better than Portland with DDR and LMA and with a jump from Murray and White could compete in the West, so they ship them out and rebuild? for 3 firsts, 2 of which would likely be very late ones.

In addition, the picks aren't even far enough out to where you can project Lillard and to a lesser extent McCollum, to be post prime.

Yeah, this notion that they belong in a separate tier is nonsense. They made a lot of changes, so they're different (slightly more dynamic, but small on the wings and lacking depth overall), but more or less the same pretenders they've always been.

[spurraider21]

I wouldn't say that DDR is stunting their development as of yet, but if he were on this team past next season then he would definitely be stunting their progress then, especially Walker. Then again, if Walker is his backup this year, giving Walker a chance to play a NBA role and continue to develop before potentially becoming the starter would be a benefit.

he's already stunting white's growth by being ball dominant and not being able to shoot. and if we had to choose between moving DDR to accommodate Murray or vice versa, i'd choose murray as the one to keep

[spurspl]

DeRozan and Horford are the ultimate litmus test of basketball knowledge in this era. Those who think the former is a legit star and the latter isn't, you know right then they're not worth listening to, reading or having a discussion with.

The Nets won't have interest in DeRozan. They not only don't lack, but have superior shot creators and just proved that they can lure a superstar and a legit star. The only teams that will have interest, will be the an hesis of that + trying to be as compe ive as possible short term.




In addition, the picks aren't even far enough out to where you can project Lillard and to a lesser extent McCollum, to be post prime.

Yeah, this notion that they belong in a separate tier is nonsense. They made a lot of changes, so they're different (slightly more dynamic, but small on the wings and lacking depth overall), but more or less the same pretenders they've always been.

i think they have interest. First of all the only big3 in duos era. Second of all, they lure kd and kyrie only bc they wanted to play together and nets had enough cap space. NOT bc nets organization. And last, nets likes doing a weird trade and imo they would do anything to make their roster better at least on paper in a short term. They not used to have so many all stars in a team. This is their opportunity.

[Chinook]

because derozan's presence is stunting the development of our 3 guards, and that could have a significant impact in less than 5 years down the line

Do you have any (any at all) evidence that this is happening? Sounds like really baseless speculation. White developed pretty damned well, and Walker was going to be in the d-league regardless. And DeRozan doesn't even play the same position.

Just a bad assumption.

[TimDunkem]

He doesn't play winning basketball
He needs to go.

[Chinook]

There is no narrow chance to win a le and the ceiling in '21 free agency is likely a player the caliber of Porter Jr. or Gordon (and by the off chance they can do better and need to clear cap space, they'd be easy to move). Might as well expedite the process, while giving Murray, White, Walker room to flourish. In the interim, the team would likely be as good or better.

Of course there's a chance to win a le. I know you have to wait until the Spurs are actually holding the trophy to believe they have any chance of getting it, but they have the upside and talent to win, especially considering that Kawhi, George and Davis are way less durable than their age would suggest.

[Chinook]

”because now matter” this “now” looks like 2nd round at most and if u keep derozan for another year and let him go away for nothing u can say goodbye playoffs for another yearS.

What do you mean "for another year"? They literally haven't said "goodbye playoffs" in two decades. Acting like "second-round at most" isn't worth having is just defensible to me. You want the young Spurs to grow up in a winning environment. You want them to get role-player skills and the ability to play off guys before they take over. You want to show potential free agents that your team is worth joining.

The only hope is to improve young players, thats a reason why its so important to get someone with potential for derozan.

Potential for what though? Someone who has the potential to be maybe as good as DeRozan?

I see that u prefer to have another 80% to make a playoffs with 0% to reach finals than skipping playoffs now and significantly increase chances to reach finals in future.

I don't think anything the Spurs are going to get in a trade has much of any chance to improve the Spurs' future, much less "significantly". In three years, Levert may not even be on the team. If he is, then Murray or White may not be. If they are, then Walker may not be. If those three guys are as good as Levert, then there was no point in getting Caris for the future. If they aren't, then they should have moved one or more for a win-now trade rather than just stocking up on redundant prospects.

I prefer this second option bc we have a great coaches and im pissed off that they cannot get(not via trade nor draft) a highly potential guy to make him a beast.

They already have multiple high-potential guys now. They also have vets who can get the team to the playoffs. Why not let them develop those guys? Why not worry about getting a guy like Porter instead who'd add something this team needs rather than a guy who might help the team eventually?

[GreekSpursfan]

Beal is 4 years younger than DDR, and significantly better than he is and all the Spurs would need to give up is Forbes and a 1st? Spurs would probably have to offer up White and multiple firsts instead just for a conversation to occur.

What has Beal done in his career that makes him SIGNIFICANTLY better than DDR. Up until now one would argue that Beal has underachieved and just produces empty stats on losing efforts. I believe under Pop he can of course be better but right i would argue that DDR is ahead of him. DDR's playmaking ability is waay better than BB. Who does BB make better around him? Only age works in his favor right now. Lets say we had a different coach, i'm not so sure BB makes this team SIGNIFICANTLY better in the loaded West.

[sasaint]

He doesn't play winning basketball
He needs to go.

Some folks just forget during the off-season. Wait until he selfishly or foolishly botches another final possession to lose a game.

[spurspl]

What do you mean "for another year"? They literally haven't said "goodbye playoffs" in two decades Acting like "second-round at most" isn't worth having is just defensible to me. You want the young Spurs to grow up in a winning environment. You want them to get role-player skills and the ability to play off guys before they take over. You want to show potential free agents that your team is worth joining.



Potential for what though? Someone who has the potential to be maybe as good as DeRozan?



I don't think anything the Spurs are going to get in a trade has much of any chance to improve the Spurs' future, much less "significantly". In three years, Levert may not even be on the team. If he is, then Murray or White may not be. If they are, then Walker may not be. If those three guys are as good as Levert, then there was no point in getting Caris for the future If they aren't, then they should have moved one or more for a win-now trade rather than just stocking up on redundant prospects.



They already have multiple high-potential guys now. They also have vets who can get the team to the playoffs. Why not let them develop those guys? Why not worry about getting a guy like Porter instead who'd add something this team needs rather than a guy who might help the team eventually?

Bc we had a top drafted players in Robinson and Duncan. To win u must have at least one guy like that and then u can surround him by role players. Sorry but i dont see any of our guys getting to this level. So we need to take as many as we can very promising guys and do whether to improve them and maybe have not one superstar but three stars.
There is always a reason to take him for the future bc u can always trade him if he be worse than others.
Porter is trash and maybe our defensive and 3pt would be a lil bit better for a season or two but thats all. He wouldnt teach anything young guys. And porter is worse now than caris + caris can be much better than he is now
And murray/white/loonie/levert(for example)- thats not too many guys for a three positions(pg/sg/sf)

[gambit1990]

siakam should be the spurs #1 target.

spurs should be willing to give up at least ddr, murray, poeltl, and a pick for siakam and gasol. $ works out.

white / patty, forbes
carroll / lonnie, beli
siakam / gay, johnson
la / trey, luka
gasol / metu

and then make anyone off the bench available / consolidate the bench for better role players.

it used to be la or gasol... why not both? poeltl will never come close to being as good as gasol. gasol is one of the best passing big man in the league and can shoot the 3.

worst case scenario: that roster beats the lakers in the POs. roster would be the 3rd best team in the west at least.

[TD 21]

Of course there's a chance to win a le. I know you have to wait until the Spurs are actually holding the trophy to believe they have any chance of getting it, but they have the upside and talent to win, especially considering that Kawhi, George and Davis are way less durable than their age would suggest.

Stick to salary cap analysis because analyzing basketball is not your thing.

This team doesn't have a chance in of winning the championship, not even in the if they caught some massive breaks way the '15-'17 iterations did.

In a league where a top 5 player is almost always required and a top 10 one always is, this team's best player is a top 20 one and he's 34 and could easily lose that designation at any time. Beyond all of their obvious structural issues that I won't even bother delving into, for you to say they have the upside and talent, is asinine and delusional.

[spurspl]

siakam should be the spurs #1 target.

spurs should be willing to give up at least ddr, murray, poeltl, and a pick for siakam and gasol. $ works out.

white / patty, forbes
carroll / lonnie, beli
siakam / gay, johnson
la / trey, luka
gasol / metu

and then make anyone off the bench available / consolidate the bench for better role players.

it used to be la or gasol... why not both? poeltl will never come close to being as good as gasol. gasol is one of the best passing big man in the league and can shoot the 3.

worst case scenario: that roster beats the lakers in the POs. roster would be the 3rd best team in the west at least.

i love the idea of getting siakam and gasol but raptors would be dump as by doing this trade

[sasaint]

i love the idea of getting siakam and gasol but raptors would be dump as by doing this trade

Nah. Depends on the value they place on Murray. But not gonna happen.

[exstatic]

I think a pick and Forbes will do it, with Derozan of course.

And that is why you are not an NBA GM.

[Chinook]

Stick to salary cap analysis because analyzing basketball is not your thing.

Stick to parroting TGY, I guess?

[Chinook]

Bc we had a top drafted players in Robinson and Duncan. To win u must have at least one guy like that and then u can surround him by role players. Sorry but i dont see any of our guys getting to this level. So we need to take as many as we can very promising guys and do whether to improve them and maybe have not one superstar but three stars.
There is always a reason to take him for the future bc u can always trade him if he be worse than others.
Porter is trash and maybe our defensive and 3pt would be a lil bit better for a season or two but thats all. He wouldnt teach anything young guys. And porter is worse now than caris + caris can be much better than he is now
And murray/white/loonie/levert(for example)- thats not too many guys for a three positions(pg/sg/sf)

The reason why the Spurs were contenders for so long is because they managed to draft five HoFers. The reason why they keep making the playoffs even though they don't have any of those players is because they develop good players and are well coached.

Why does it not make sense to have DeRozan "teach things to the young guys"? Why are you concerned with guys who aren't contracted for more than two seasons like Levert? Why not just extend DeRozan or Porter? Why not just draft a guy with the apparently high picks the Spurs will get if they don't trade DeRozan in time?

[Spurtacular]

In b4 100.

[tonight...you]

In b4 100.

I like how you plan ahead.
You must invest...

[sasaint]

The reason why the Spurs were contenders for so long is because they managed to draft five HoFers. The reason why they keep making the playoffs even though they don't have any of those players is because they develop good players and are well coached.

Why does it not make sense to have DeRozan "teach things to the young guys"? Why are you concerned with guys who aren't contracted for more than two seasons like Levert? Why not just extend DeRozan or Porter? Why not just draft a guy with the apparently high picks the Spurs will get if they don't trade DeRozan in time?

Getting Porter moves the needle. Getting rid of Dumbmar also moves the needle. I don’t think I want our young guys learning from him. Along with BB moves he also teaches poor IQ and tantrums. He is very un-Spursy.

[spurspl]

The reason why the Spurs were contenders for so long is because they managed to draft five HoFers. The reason why they keep making the playoffs even though they don't have any of those players is because they develop good players and are well coached.

Why does it not make sense to have DeRozan "teach things to the young guys"? Why are you concerned with guys who aren't contracted for more than two seasons like Levert? Why not just extend DeRozan or Porter? Why not just draft a guy with the apparently high picks the Spurs will get if they don't trade DeRozan in time?

i totally agree that spurs are well coached and can develop players but by having a high picks and/or adding another young potential guy u increase your chances to have another HoF. Firstly, DeRozan should take a lesson from bellineli and learn how to shoot 3pt or from duncan a lesson called “how not to disappear in playoffs”

[KobesAchilles]

The good news is that it is essentially his contract year so he should be in shape and sharp to start the year off. I like the idea of keeping DeRozan for this year. We aren’t sure what Walker can do on the big stage. We aren’t sure how rusty Murray will look. And we aren’t sure if White can carry us offensively the way deRozan can if Walker and Murray don’t pan out in the early stages of the year. Keep in mind that LMA starts the year off slowly too and having DeRozan as an insurance policy would be nice. If we do trade DeRozan though, it definitely won’t be before the season starts. Most likely will be made during the season. I’m guessing the Spurs will be pretty active in the trade market this year in either buying or selling.

[TD 21]

Stick to parroting TGY, I guess?

Yeah, because he's the only person who's ever used and I'm known for trolling.

[Chinook]

Getting Porter moves the needle. Getting rid of Dumbmar also moves the needle. I don’t think I want our young guys learning from him. Along with BB moves he also teaches poor IQ and tantrums. He is very un-Spursy.

DeRozan has a very good basketball IQ, at least on offense. There's no way he could be as good of a scorer as he is without it. His tantrums are the principle reason why I think PATFO might want to move him. I think they were prepared for his lack of shooting, inadequate defense and poor playoff track record. But the meltdowns might have caught them off guard. In any event, yeah, I want the young guards to learn from DeRozan, Gay and Beli. All three are among the best in the league at certain techniques. The young guys should be able to take a lot of those to supplement the things they already do well.