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    I think Primo will be the face of the franchise sooner than later; the dude is a smart & compe ive player! Give him a year or so……

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    Environment be it personal or professional is vital to one’s growth. There are a ton of careers that been ruined by crappy organizations / development.

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    Environment be it personal or professional is vital to one’s growth. There are a ton of careers that been ruined by crappy organizations / development.

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    Coo coo

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    . This guy here

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    This is something I think about from time to time. How/why Kawhi became so great compared to the player he was when he joined the Spurs. I feel that he had an amazing work ethic and desire to be great, but I also wonder if the situation he came into allowed him to get there.

    I also wonder how big of a part the Spurs coaching and development had in him becoming that great. When he was still playing for the Spurs, I thought it was mostly him and the work he put in that got him to MVP level, but I now feel maybe he never would have been as good as he did without the Spurs development. I didn't 100% feel that way when he was on the Spurs. That is why I am still upset that he left the way he did. It seems to me he viewed it the opposite way and would have become that good with or without the Spurs, so that is why I think it was so easy for him to leave the Spurs. It's like he didn't feel/think the Spurs played that big of a role and he wasn't appreciative towards them helping to make him the player he had become. Maybe his ego just got too big by that time, I don't know. I still don't like thinking about it.

    I also wonder if the lockout and Chip's tips on tweaking his shots worked better with Chip only having a few days to show him how to tweak his shot, then leaving Kawhi for months on his own during the lockout to concentrate on what Chip taught him. Maybe if there was no lockout and he was constantly working with Chip, he may not have become as good of a shooter.

    It's a very fine line, and maybe all these little things and cir stances played a huge part in turning him into an MVP level player. As mentioned, now that he's gone, it feels like he wasn't appreciative of all the time and effort the Spurs put into helping him develop (otherwise, I don't think he would have left the way he did IMO), and possibly he thinks it was mostly himself that made the improvements and they didn't have much to do with it. I really do wonder what his mindset is in regard to all that. I don't know, maybe he thinks the Spurs held him back because of their system.

    Edit : Forgot to mention you point. I agree, it's not going to be anywhere near as easy to develop Primo or Vassell like the Spurs were able to with Kawhi (at worst, 50% was Kawhi himself and his work ethic and his absolute desire to be one of the best players on the planet that pushed him to that level). He also got to play in bigtime games from the very start of his career to see what it's all about, and also in huge playoff games without the pressure of being the man as he had Tim, Tony, Manu to take that pressure off of him. Completely different cir stances these current guys are in.

    LMAO why type all of that?

    the majority of the credit goes to the player for getting better. He was patient and studious enough to take the tips and teaching in stride to get better. It doesn’t matter how great a teacher is if the student doesn’t want to put in the work or understand how to apply the lessons taught to them.

    the SPURS definitely deserve some credit with helping Kawhi become a great player because they recognized he was continuously improving but they didn’t bombard him with too many responsibilities too quickly. They assigned him things they thought would enhance his game and put him in position to maximize his talents.

    dude left because he wanted to go back home to LA. Nothing more, nothing less. Maybe some stuff happened that might have turned him off quicker but it is obvious how he left Toronto that he wanted to go back home and not too much was stopping that

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    Austin plays tonight, no Primo. I will be surprised if he plays another game for them.

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    Austin plays tonight, no Primo. I will be surprised if he plays another game for them.
    It’s still AllStar break, and until the NBA resumes, no 15man roster players may play, not even in the gleague.

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    It’s still AllStar break, and until the NBA resumes, no 15man roster players may play, not even in the gleague.
    Didn't know that, but i'll still be surprised if he plays another game with them tbh.

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    Didn't know that, but i'll still be surprised if he plays another game with them tbh.
    Don’t be. We have to showcase Richardson for possible trades to contenders during the draft or this summer, and see what we have in Romeo, and maybe showcase him if he isn’t an organizational fit. Oh, and we need to lose some games, too.

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    Too soon to say with Primo. Hope for the best but he could be an “irrational confidence” player. Or at least that’s his floor, maybe. But I am confident he will never reach Kawhi’s ceiling for social awkwardness and being an asshole.

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    He needs to stay in Austin. Let’s hope JRich can put up numbers as the tank rolls on so we can move him this summer.

    It’s also a great time to see what we have in Langford.

    Primo will get his opportunity eventually but he is still very raw and has been underwhelming when given quality minutes at the NBA level but the talent is certainly there. He is buying into the Spurs development process. Absolutely no need to rush this, especially when we can build other
    players value.
    Last edited by KingKev; 02-24-2022 at 08:05 AM.

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    Too soon to say with Primo. Hope for the best but he could be an “irrational confidence” player. Or at least that’s his floor, maybe. But I am confident he will never reach Kawhi’s ceiling for social awkwardness and being an asshole.
    He can create space for his own 3 point shot. That’s the best offensive weapon you can have in the current NBA climate. It makes his ceiling very high.

    He’s shooting 49% on 3s in Austin, and he has the ball in his hands most of the time. This isn’t “Oh, he’s shooting well, but it’s the gleague”. He’s shooting a phenomenal percentage on over 5 attempts per game. Phenomenal.

    What I like most is that his training is dual track, and he seems to be absorbing it. In Austin, he’s being trained to control the ball, and score. In SA, he’s being trained to play team ball, and share, probably so he doesn’t turn into another Westbrook or Harden. You want the head of the snake to have maybe 26-28% USG. While 35% USG may win you an MVP, it won’t win you too many LoBs. The other players need to touch the ball and score so when you need them to in the playoffs, they’re ready.

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    He can create space for his own 3 point shot. That’s the best offensive weapon you can have in the current NBA climate. It makes his ceiling very high.

    He’s shooting 49% on 3s in Austin, and he has the ball in his hands most of the time. This isn’t “Oh, he’s shooting well, but it’s the gleague”. He’s shooting a phenomenal percentage on over 5 attempts per game. Phenomenal.

    What I like most is that his training is dual track, and he seems to be absorbing it. In Austin, he’s being trained to control the ball, and score. In SA, he’s being trained to play team ball, and share, probably so he doesn’t turn into another Westbrook or Harden. You want the head of the snake to have maybe 26-28% USG. While 35% USG may win you an MVP, it won’t win you too many LoBs. The other players need to touch the ball and score so when you need them to in the playoffs, they’re ready.

    Where are you getting the 49% on threes stat? I see him shooting 37.8% on threes through 18 G-League games.

    https://basketball.realgm.com/player...ue/134341/2022

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    Where are you getting the 49% on threes stat? I see him shooting 37.8% on threes through 18 G-League games.

    https://basketball.realgm.com/player...ue/134341/2022
    I saw 48.3% for the last five games. But definitely not for the season. The forum wouldn’t stop talking about that if true. So, my original point stands—hopeful, and a step back 3 is a great tool to have, but he’s young so needs more time. His game looks to have more dynamic potential than Vassel, so that’s relatively reassuring to me.

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    https://www.basketball-reference.com...rimojo01d.html

    Shows 11 games. Maybe they’re not including cup play?

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    Where are you getting the 49% on threes stat? I see him shooting 37.8% on threes through 18 G-League games.

    https://basketball.realgm.com/player...ue/134341/2022
    They have a Showcase which isn't counted as the regular season. He is shooting 48.5% from three in six regular season games.

    https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1630563/

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    16/33 in the g-league is a small sample size. He is 32% in the NBA on twice as many 3s.

    I like Primo as a prospect but ppl on this board are getting carried away.

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    16/33 in the g-league is a small sample size. He is 32% in the NBA on twice as many 3s.

    I like Primo as a prospect but ppl on this board are getting carried away.
    29-59 on my page. The most important part is the HE’S CREATING THOSE SHOTS FOR HIMSELF IN THE GLEAGUE. He's got the rock when he’s in the game. A handful may be return passes, and unfortunately the gleague stats aren’t as comprehensive as their nba stats, so we don’t know. It’s 5 attempts per game, which is pretty robust.

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    29-59 on my page. The most important part is the HE’S CREATING THOSE SHOTS FOR HIMSELF IN THE GLEAGUE. He's got the rock when he’s in the game. A handful may be return passes, and unfortunately the gleague stats aren’t as comprehensive as their nba stats, so we don’t know. It’s 5 attempts per game, which is pretty robust.
    Upside is there for sure but what he does in the NBA is what matters and he isn't close to ready so see consistent NBA minutes. The fact you can’t even get consistent/reliable numbers for the g-league says something.

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    Upside is there for sure but what he does in the NBA is what matters and he isn't close to ready so see consistent NBA minutes. The fact you can’t even get consistent/reliable numbers for the g-league says something.
    I agree 100% but I think Pop is going to find Primo rotation minutes some how for the rest of the season. He might not be ready for consistent NBA minutes but it can't hurt really if he does get those minutes.

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    I agree 100% but I think Pop is going to find Primo rotation minutes some how for the rest of the season. He might not be ready for consistent NBA minutes but it can't hurt really if he does get those minutes.
    I fully trust PATFO’s process for developing someone like Primo and am pretty conifdent has has the potential to be a mong term building block the same way DJ and maybe Keldon/Vassell are. I’m no no rush to give him NBA minutes when JRich and Langford need immediate assessment and could bring back something in a trade however.

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    “(Sending Primo back to Austin) is not in the cards,” Popovich said. “He’s gotta play. Throw him in the frying pan.”
    “It’s time to go out there and be accountable, like everybody else,” Popovich said.


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    “(Sending Primo back to Austin) is not in the cards,” Popovich said. “He’s gotta play. Throw him in the frying pan.”
    “It’s time to go out there and be accountable, like everybody else,” Popovich said.

    He's about to get TonyParker'd. Hope he stands up and takes it productively like Tony and LDN did.
    Pop is gonna be on him like white on rice.

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    He's about to get TonyParker'd. Hope he stands up and takes it productively like Tony and LDN did.
    Pop is gonna be on him like white on rice.
    be ok

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