Stoudemire calls Spurs 'dirty' (Bruce & Manu)

[kps0001]

It's like that song by 311: come original

you have to realize this forum has withheld 3 or 4 Mavericks Fans Barrages, not unlike Hurricanes, and you're gonna have to do way better than that


all the you're saying

we've heard it before

not only that, but the way you're saying it, we've heard it before

all of it


so find a different strategy or take a lesson from mouse cuz your tactics are akin to that of the Mensheviks of 1917

you are a funny guy. I guess the Spurs and its fans are just the best at everything. Since you guys have "handled" the Mavericks fans I must bow to you.

I am just responding to the name calling and childish antics displayed when some Spurs fans can't seem to prove a point. I am not trying to be a "troll" you stated something and I simply asked a question wanting further explanation of your thoughts. It's not my fault you automatically go on the defensive because you realize your statement is pretty weak and posted without much thought. But yeah its always easier just to call names and act like the tough guy than try to explain yourself logically.

[CROD]

Don't wanna throw anymore fuel on the fire but I'm suprised that nobody mentioned the reverse -slap Amare laid on Robery Horry with 6:05 left in the second qtr.
Homeboy slapped him so hard it led to a turnover and an easy score. Figured I would say something since the suns are acting like bags.

[ambchang]

...and you still contend there was no contact? Intent, severity of the action aside, is there contact?

No, there was NO contact.
If you felt the youtube view does not show Amare limping on his right leg, check this.
http://broadband.nba.com/cc/playa.ph...nk&nbasite=nba
It clearly showed him limping on his RIGHT leg, when everyone is now saying that he was kicked in the LEFT.

[kps0001]

'boost my self confidence'

lmao, like your self confidence is gonna matter in game 3.

you should worry about the confidence of pussy ass amare, who is scared to death of the Spurs.

self confidence not relating to the game. self confidence meaning I can carry on objective conversation with opposing fans without resorting to childish antics and name calling. I can also admit when I am wrong and will even apologize for things I may have said. Some of you should make a go at it.

But hey I am just a "troll' here so I understand why some people can't handle opposing fans comments and get bent out of shape about it.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

There is no logical debate when it comes to like this.....duh...



sNOOOOOOOOK

[ambchang]

but comments like this is certainly worthy of keeping the thread going. That is my point. You guys get so bent out of shape and resort to name calling and elementary school discussions( as your moderator stated) it keeps me entertained and boosts my self confidence.

Keep up the good work!!!!

To be fair, and I am not saying you did, it's not like Suns fans were saints in this discussion.
And I state my position once more.
Out of the 4 possible scenarios:
a) Bowen had no intent to injure, and there was no contact made;
b) Bowen had intent to injure, but no contact was made;
c) Bowen had intent to injure, and contact was made; and
d) Bowen had no intent to injure, but contact was made,

I chose either a) or b), I don't know whether he had intent or not, but I said no contact was made. My points are as follows:
1) The picture clearly showed Bowen did not kick Amare's right leg.
2) The video showed that Bowen's foot was much closer to Amare's right leg than his left leg.
3) The video showed that Amare's right leg went up about a split second AFTER he jumped, implying that if there ever was contact, it would have been his right leg.
4) The video also showed that Amare came down hobbling on his right leg.

All the video evidence shows that if there ever was contact, it was on Amare's right leg, and yet the picture showed conclusively that it would be impossible for Bowen to kick Amare on the right leg.

[kps0001]

There is no logical debate when it comes to like this.....duh...



sNOOOOOOOOK

Actually there is Lamarcus. You made the comment about this leading to the Spurs demise. I asked for reasons. You gave me them as well as resorting to calling names.

Your reasons assume that 1) this has never been brought to the refs attention before and 2) that they have never paid attention to the media

oh and that I am too stupid to realize both of your reasons but I won't take it personally.

So explain to me, without calling names if that is possible, how you feel that the Spurs demise will be a result of something that has been going on for a lot longer than a few days since this happened and Amare speaking out about it.

If your statement was meant to be more of a joke or anti jinx as you stated; thats all that needed to be said and I probably would have laughed and/or agreed. But yeah I am the one that is trying to start here. OK

[sunsbum]

To be fair, and I am not saying you did, it's not like Suns fans were saints in this discussion.
And I state my position once more.
Out of the 4 possible scenarios:
a) Bowen had no intent to injure, and there was no contact made;
b) Bowen had intent to injure, but no contact was made;
c) Bowen had intent to injure, and contact was made; and
d) Bowen had no intent to injure, but contact was made,

I chose either a) or b), I don't know whether he had intent or not, but I said no contact was made. My points are as follows:
1) The picture clearly showed Bowen did not kick Amare's right leg.
2) The video showed that Bowen's foot was much closer to Amare's right leg than his left leg.
3) The video showed that Amare's right leg went up about a split second AFTER he jumped, implying that if there ever was contact, it would have been his right leg.
4) The video also showed that Amare came down hobbling on his right leg.

All the video evidence shows that if there ever was contact, it was on Amare's right leg, and yet the picture showed conclusively that it would be impossible for Bowen to kick Amare on the right leg.

bowen just admitted that he "may have clipped amare" but he didnt intend any harm

[kps0001]

To be fair, and I am not saying you did, it's not like Suns fans were saints in this discussion.
And I state my position once more.
Out of the 4 possible scenarios:
a) Bowen had no intent to injure, and there was no contact made;
b) Bowen had intent to injure, but no contact was made;
c) Bowen had intent to injure, and contact was made; and
d) Bowen had no intent to injure, but contact was made,

I chose either a) or b), I don't know whether he had intent or not, but I said no contact was made. My points are as follows:
1) The picture clearly showed Bowen did not kick Amare's right leg.
2) The video showed that Bowen's foot was much closer to Amare's right leg than his left leg.
3) The video showed that Amare's right leg went up about a split second AFTER he jumped, implying that if there ever was contact, it would have been his right leg.
4) The video also showed that Amare came down hobbling on his right leg.

All the video evidence shows that if there ever was contact, it was on Amare's right leg, and yet the picture showed conclusively that it would be impossible for Bowen to kick Amare on the right leg.

Cool. Gotcha. I think that is much easier for one to understand your thoughts versus saying "suns fans are pussies" ....whatever hopefully you get my point-not saying you did that sort of thing.

I would say it was D but I guess it we will agree to disagree as to the definition of "contact". Thanks for explaining your thoughts logically.

[k-kwan]

I was just reading through these endless pages of rants and name calling coming from both our camps.

And its sad, its sad that fellow Suns fans are goading Spurs fans into tirades and pissing matches. Its sad that Spurs fans are actively denying that Bowen never even touched Stodemire or jumping back in their statements saying it was unintentional.

logically speaking I dont understand why you would call a man who went through probably the now number one career ruining medical procedure for NBA players. Lost a year of his career, while going through a very painful and tedious rehab. Only to play all next years 82 games become an all-star and all-nba first team a whiner and a baby.

After going through all of that dont you think not just Amare but anyone in general would be a little en led to voice his distress about almost being potentially injured. And lets not mess around an achillies tear is just as dangerous and career threatening as an mcl and an acl tear.

I wouldnt want that to happen to anyone not my player or one of your own. And thats the point, the game doenst need that "type" defense. I'm not going to call Bowen dirty because we have our own version of Bowen on our team named Bell. But one thing they both do is take the D and intensity over the edge. And its in those moments that actions like what Bowen did last game and what Bell did to Kobe happen.

The game doesnt need that. and fans from both, all sides should not stand for it.

also i guess this thread doesnt even matter now since you dont have to defend your player cause Bowen came to the media and apologized for the incident.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Actually there is Lamarcus. You made the comment about this leading to the Spurs demise. I asked for reasons. You gave me them as well as resorting to calling names.

Your reasons assume that 1) this has never been brought to the refs attention before and 2) that they have never paid attention to the media

oh and that I am too stupid to realize both of your reasons but I won't take it personally.

So explain to me, without calling names if that is possible, how you feel that the Spurs demise will be a result of something that has been going on for a lot longer than a few days since this happened and Amare speaking out about it.

If your statement was meant to be more of a joke or anti jinx as you stated; thats all that needed to be said and I probably would have laughed and/or agreed. But yeah I am the one that is trying to start here. OK

look at the le of the thread brah

there is no debate here

you either are always going to think bruce is dirty or you wont

none of us do
deal with it
brah

[kps0001]

look at the le of the thread brah

there is no debate here

you either are always going to think bruce is dirty or you wont

none of us do
deal with it
brah

Things really slip by you Lamarcus. I am not looking to debate as you apparently are. If you can't carry on a conversation on a message board without debating or trying to prove someone else wrong than you are going to have some issues in real life. Explain your thoughts logically or don't post its as easy as that. Sometimes I may agree with you sometimes I may not but you simply won't give anyone, actually Suns fans, an opportunity. You still have failed to explain yourself.

BTW, I don't think Bowen is dirty so deal with that, brah!

[ambchang]

So I took a screenshot of the video, and it CLEARLY showed the Bowen's foot is between Amare's legs.

[timvp]

A little of this and the controversy could have ended after page 1.

[k-kwan]

So I took a screenshot of the video, and it CLEARLY showed the Bowen's foot is between Amare's legs.

um thas after the contact was made.....

[hater]

LMAO, this is getting ridiculous.

ppl be patient, game 3 is coming.

[Catharsis]

If stupid as suns fans would stop defending Amare's actions this debate would have been over a looong time ago.

Suns fans listen up, D'antoni and the whole suns organization is embarrassed about this incident and the turmoil it caused. Amare has been told to STFU.

idiots!

If the insurgents in Iraq would just give up the war would be over!

[DarrinS]

This just in...

Bruce is planning either a paper cut attack or a hangnail scratch for game 3.

[kps0001]

Mike Finger: With opponent on heels, Amare plays the victim

Web Posted: 05/10/2007 11:41 PM CDT


San Antonio Express-News

Gregg Popovich admitted he was fighting the urge to overreact and do something "silly." Tony Parker was trying to decide if he needed to be more aggressive. And Robert Horry, with his own playful ideas on how to reclaim some momentum, even invoked the name of Jackie Butler.
But then?

Amare Stoudemire opened his mouth and provided the Spurs with the only adjustment they needed.

As much as people talk about lineup changes and strategic moves this time of year, nothing shakes up an NBA playoff series quite like a slip of the tongue. So when Stoudemire blasted Bruce Bowen on Thursday and accused the Spurs of being a "dirty team," he might have thought he was simply blowing the whistle and calling out an opponent.

But at a point when the Suns should have finally been feeling strong and confident against their biggest nemesis, wasn't Stoudemire just turning them into victims all over again?

For years, Phoenix had struggled to put itself in the position it reached on Tuesday. The Spurs had beaten the Suns in 16 of the teams' last 20 meetings, including five of the last six in the playoffs. During that time, there was a growing perception that the Spurs were the one team capable of getting into the Suns' fast-breaking heads.

But after a blowout Phoenix victory in Game 2, it was suddenly Popovich's team that had to figure out how to regroup.

With three days off between Games 2 and 3, the Suns could have spent that time smiling and swaggering and allowing doubt to creep into the minds of Parker, who had trouble being chased by Shawn Marion, and Manu Ginobili, who still hasn't found his postseason stroke, and Bowen, who hasn't slowed down Steve Nash as much as he'd hoped.

But when Bowen heard about Stoudemire's comments Thursday, didn't he have to laugh a little inside? A huge part of his game is making an opponent uncomfortable, and Stoudemire all but confirmed Bowen is doing his job against the Suns.

After viewing the clip of Bowen's kick on YouTube — which already boasts almost as many Bruce Bowen "cheap shot" videos as it does of animals playing musical instruments — it's understandable why Stoudemire might be a bit perturbed.

But to take his frustration public? After a victory?

That's not the best way to show the tables have turned. The only possible upside for Phoenix would be the league suspending Bowen, and that didn't happen.

Sure, Stoudemire isn't the first to complain about Bowen's defensive tactics. But run down the list of the most vocal critics: Ray Allen, Vince Carter, Isiah Thomas, Flip Saunders and Cuttino Mobley.

What do they have in common? Losing records against the Spurs, and zero playoff series victories against Bowen.

It seldom pays to voice frustration about an opposing player's transgressions, and the Spurs know this firsthand. One of the only times they've really made a fuss about a perceived cheap shot in recent years was last year in the conference semifinals against Dallas, when Jason Terry's fist landed below Michael Finley's belt.

Remember how that turned out? Terry was suspended for Game 6, then came back fired up and scored 27 points in Game 7 to help the Mavericks win the series.

Bowen, in all likelihood, will react the same way, just like he usually has.

There was a hiccup earlier this season when Thomas' complaints prompted a league official to warn Bowen about placing his foot under jump shooters, making Bowen a bit tentative for a while after that. But that was because the NBA was questioning his entire defensive approach. In this case, the only thing the league can really do would be to tell him to stop kicking players in their calves.

Chances are, Bowen can still guard while adhering to those guidelines. And when his pestering style becomes the focal point of the series, making the Suns look like the victims instead of the conquerors?

The Suns can thank Stoudemire for the adjustment.

[Trainwreck2100]

I find it funny that his teammates/coach aren't backing him up

[ambchang]

um thas after the contact was made.....

This is absolutely ridiculous, could you let me know how in the world can Bowen kick Amare's left heel, and have his foot pointed outwards, all within the split second where Amare can only lift up an inch off the ground.
If you are saying that it was the RIGHT leg Bowen kicked, a previous photo has already conclusively shown that it was impossible.
And I have yet to find ANY pictures that you guys can come up with that can even remotely show that Bowen kicked Amare's right leg, where we have seen a picture where conclusively showed it's impossible for Bowen to have done so.
The picture where people alleged showed Bowen kicked Amare in the left heel is contradictory to my above picture, and contradicts Amare's reaction after he was limping on his right leg.

[k-kwan]

sorry ambchang but the frame you captured was at the end point of the swing of his foot after he made contact with Amare half way through his swing.

[ambchang]

sorry ambchang but the frame you captured was at the end point of the swing of his foot after he made contact with Amare half way through his swing.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sc4yz__akIU
This is the video, please tell me when the contact was made, and tell me which leg Bowen kicked, left or right.

[kyle macy]

So I took a screenshot of the video, and it CLEARLY showed the Bowen's foot is between Amare's legs.

Classic! Love the photoshop, I was happy just reading this thread, but that is hilarious. Props to you.

[kyle macy]

It's the playoffs, anyone who is not "dirty" at some point is just plain soft.