Luis Scola & Jackie Butler GONE?!

[Bruno]

And yesterday Bruno said that the least he'd want the Spurs to accept for Scola is either a first round pick or a good small forward prospect. Bruno also yesterday said Butler > 2nd round pick.

Bruno's evaluation is the same one than Spurs' FO evalaution.
I don't think it's a good trade but I understand it.

[whottt]

I don't understand how whottt is twisting the fact that the Spurs gave two bigman away for free to a divisional rival into a take that Duncan > Scola and Butler. Yeah, way to go out on a limb with that take.

Oh yeah?

And if this was the summer of 2006, you'd be creaming over getting Spatula in this deal...and so would Aggie. Some of us were there in the D-League draft room last season.

The Spurs didn't really need Manu in 2003. They should have traded him to Dallas for a second round pick.

You aren't seriously comparing Jackie Butler to Manu are you?

[Kori Ellis]

Oh yeah?

And if this was the summer of 2006, you'd be creaming over getting Spatula in this deal...and so would Aggie. Some of us were there in the D-League draft room last season.

Umm.. in 2006, there was a chance he'd play in the NBA. Now he says he hates America and never wants to return again.

[timvp]

Pop wanted others more...not the same thing.

Huh? Pop wanted Raja Bell. Buford wanted Derrick Dial.

So your point of Pop getting who he wants was shot down.

Never mind...

I'll let you, and 99% of the rest of the Spurs fans on earth

Fixed.

S'really much ado about nothing though if you ask me.

Scola and Bulter weren't going to play this year...

Were we really supposed to expect different than you. You had hated Scola more than any human alive this side of AJ. You think Elson is the Dutch David Robinson and you were scared that Butler would take his place in the rotation.

The Spurs could have traded Scola and Butler for Adonal Foyle and you would have loved the trade.

Don't kid yourself.

[Bruno]

They have been trying to dump Beno for 2 years and no one takes him for a dirty gym sock.

That's why they picked his option for this year in october ?

First of all, no one wants Elson. He's 31 years old and isn't going to get better than a 5/5 guy who can't figure out how to guard anyone. So he's much harder to move than a 21 year old that most GMs in the league think has potential.

Are you sure Spurs want to trade Elson ?
It's possible that Spurs FO think he is a servicable rotation player and that they wnat to keep him.

The Spurs tried damn hard to trade them to the East - they didn't want to trade them to the West. So obviously they think that Scola/Butler can do something in this league - or they wouldn't have cared so much about not trading them to the West.

And they finally trade them to Houston.
It's not 100% sure Scola/Butler will be nba scrubs. That's why they try to trade them in the EC. However Spurs were enough confident in their judgement about them to send them in Houston.

[timvp]

Bruno's evaluation is the same one than Spurs' FO evalaution.
I don't think it's a good trade but I understand it.

So you just throw all your prior opinions out the window and just rationalize what the Spurs do?

Got it.

[timvp]

Oh yeah?

And if this was the summer of 2006, you'd be creaming over getting Spatula in this deal...and so would Aggie. Some of us were there in the D-League draft room last season.

You do realize that he's not part of the deal, right? Or did you miss that in your celebration that Scola is gone and Elson lives to play another year?

You aren't seriously comparing Jackie Butler to Manu are you?

Are you seriously rationalizing giving two bigmen with potential to the Houston Rockets for nothing?

[drmvp]

Tell you what...you guys can keep listing all the ones that got away...

It's not just that they got away, it's where they landed.



I'm going to repeat again (as I turn blue in the face):

I'd rather the Spurs had drafted Josh Howard even if they had then sent him off permanently to a Siberian gulag.

Simply by keeping him away from the Mavs, the Spurs would now be Back-to-Back-to-Back repeat champions.



Never -- NEVER! -- help a potential playoff foe get stronger. Scola was exactly what the Rockets needed. Yao will be better as a mid-to-high post player in Adelman's offense, and Scola is the complementary low post scorer they have coveted. Also, Scola will play with fury each time he faces the Spurs. Butler will be a nice backup.

Add to that Mike James, a happy camper in Bonzi Wells (on a contract year also), a rookie PG Aaron Brooks who has been absolutely sensational in the summer league, and a desperately hungry T-Mac. The Spurs could lose to these Rockets.



A far, far better plan would have been to let Scola rot in Europe.

[timvp]

And they finally trade them to Houston.
It's not 100% sure Scola/Butler will be nba scrubs. That's why they try to trade them in the EC. However Spurs were enough confident in their judgement about them to send them in Houston.

No, more like the Spurs panicked and made this deal at the last second. With Scola's deadline coming on Sunday and today being Friday, they had to make the deal right now. The Spurs were desperate and the Rockets took advantage.

[Bruno]

So you just throw all your prior opinions out the window and just rationalize what the Spurs do?

Got it.

I'm just enough open minded to accept that Spurs FO opinions aren't the same than mine.
Spurs FO think Scola and Butler are scrubs and I disagree (mainly for Scola) with that.
Maybe I'm wrong and Spurs are right and in this case, this isn't a bad trade.

[Kori Ellis]

That's why they picked his option for this year in october ?

They picked up his option hoping he'd stop sucking. But I assure you that they've tried to trade him for a mul ude of bad players and no one bites.

Are you sure Spurs want to trade Elson ?
It's possible that Spurs FO think he is a servicable rotation player and that they wnat to keep him.

I am sure of what I said - that Butler was a lot easier to move than Elson. Just like with Nazr, they'll hope he can eventually catch on to D. And he won't.

[Kori Ellis]

I'm just enough open minded to accept that Spurs FO opinions aren't the same than mine.
Spurs FO think Scola and Butler are scrubs and I disagree (mainly for Scola) with that.
Maybe I'm wrong and Spurs are right and in this case, this isn't a bad trade.

They don't think they are scrubs. They wanted to get under the luxury tax and they were the most easily moved players that didn't really have much of a role here.

To say they think they are flat out scrubs is beyond stupidity.

[whottt]

Huh? Pop wanted Raja Bell. Buford wanted Derrick Dial.

So your point of Pop getting who he wants was shot down.

um...if Pop doesn't want Buford, he'll get it.

Were we really supposed to expect different than you. You had hated Scola more than any human alive this side of AJ.

AJ is a fellow Scola hater too? Cool...I may have to soften my stance on AJ.

You think Elson is the Dutch David Robinson and you were scared that Butler would take his place in the rotation.

Not for one second did I have a concern Butler was going to take his spot in the rotation.

The Spurs could have traded Scola and Butler for Adonal Foyle and you would have loved the trade.

Actually...that would be a decent trade...better than this one IMO.

[Bruno]

No, more like the Spurs panicked and made this deal at the last second.

So, I have an higher opinion on Spurs' front office than yours.

[whottt]

Umm.. in 2006, there was a chance he'd play in the NBA. Now he says he hates America and never wants to return again.

Um, you completely misspelled "he's a soft gutless and neither timvp nor Aggie saw it, and both coveted"

[timvp]

So, I have an higher opinion on Spurs' front office than yours.

Was this not the last second?

[Streakyshooter08]

I somehow understand, that they wanted to save money (which I don't like but it is still buisness) but the thing that really bothers me is that they are helping a already good Houston team to fill one of their needs with Scola. I think the trade is not that bad if:

1. Scola stays in Europe (it sounded like he would come over this year)
2. Spanoulis comming to the Spurs (won't happen)
3.The Spurs opening up a roster spot for a better trade/signing

Now I hope another move will follow. (Udoka, Piertus, Outlaw,...)

[Kori Ellis]

Um, you completely misspelled "he's a soft gutless and neither timvp nor Aggie saw it, and both coveted"

I'm not sure anyone saw that he was a "soft gutless " or there wouldn't have been teams trying to give him a 3 year deal.

[timvp]

What doesn't make sense to me is the Spurs could have saved more money by trading away Beno for nothing than trading away Jackie Butler and replacing him with Mahinmi.

[Bruno]

Was this not the last second?

So all close to the dealine trade are panic and desperate trades ?

And Rockets have spoken to Scola for three days.

[timvp]

I got owned let me resort to fantasy basketball smack in a league where i finished in 20th out of 20 teams and timvp finished in 2nd.

[Bruno]

They picked up his option hoping he'd stop sucking. But I assure you that they've tried to trade him for a mul ude of bad players and no one bites.

Have they tried to trade him packaged with Scola's rights ?

I am sure of what I said - that Butler was a lot easier to move than Elson. Just like with Nazr, they'll hope he can eventually catch on to D. And he won't.

Butler is easier to moeve than Elson but it's pointless if Spurs weren't trying to move Elson.

[whottt]

For all we know Scola had basically told the Spurs he would never play for them and if they didn't trade him now they weren't going to get anything for him...

So the Spurs traded a guy that would never play for them for a guy that would never play for the Rockets(that incidentally plays a position of another guy we want to trade), and Butler for cap space and a second round pick and are going to give his spot to Mahinimi...


Is it the deal we all wanted? Of course not...I wanted Nocioni for Scola. And if any of you guys can show me proof we turned something like that down to make the Rockets better...I'll join you in the witchhunt...

Otherwise...much ado about nothing.

[Bruno]

To say they think they are flat out scrubs is beyond stupidity.

Thanks.

[timvp]

For all we know Scola had basically told the Spurs he would never play for them and if they didn't trade him now they weren't going to get anything for him...

So the Spurs traded a guy that would never play for them for a guy that would never play for the Rockets(that incidentally plays a position of another guy we want to trade), and Butler for cap space and a second round pick and are going to give his spot to Mahinimi...

So Scola threatened the Spurs that if they don't trade him right now that they'll get nothing for him, so the Spurs turn around and trade him for nothing. Is that really the take you want to have for this trade?

Please try again.