Official All Kobe, All The Time Thread

[Allanon]

+1

So, I'll feed them with two good questions.

1) Kobe returns tonight. In the Lakers last 2 losses to Memphis,

March 28, 2008. Kobe scored 53 points on 19 of 37 shooting, 9 of 17 from 3 point country, and 6 of 7 from the line
February 1, 2010 Kobe scored 44 points on 16 for 28 shooting, 4 of 7 from 3 point country, and 8 of 13 from the line.

I didn't look at the Lakers wins to see how Kobe did. Kobe did pass to Artest in the latter game for the potential buzzer beating win, but this was the game he seemed to go out of his way to pass Jerry West as the leading Lakers scorer.

So, my question is, now that his team has won 4 of 5 without him, how many shots will Kobe take tonight?

Why did you skip all the way to the 2007-2008 season?

Why didn't you list the wins?

November 6th, Kobe 41 points, 19 of 30 shots. 61%
March 3rd, 2009 Kobe 31 points, 12 of 23 shots, 52%
December 22, 2008, Kobe 36 points, 14 of 23 shots, 61%

What is the relevance of how many shots Kobe takes?

This leads to the second question, and it's a tough one.

2) In 2007 no one was probably happier than Tim Duncan when Tony Parker won the finals MVP. Would Kobe feel the same way if another Lakers won the finals MVP this year if the Lakers win it all?

Here's some hypothetical scenarios for a Lakers 2010 finals, don't laugh at them, it's just an illustration:

Finals MVP candidates:

A) Pau Gasol dominates Kevin Garnett offensively and defensively Putting up 20 points, 20 rebounds, 5 assists and 5 blocks every game.
B) Ron Artest's defense takes LeBron/Pierce/Carter out of their game plan and his offense is strong.
C) Lamar Odom comes of the bench like a man possessed, putting up 20 points, 20 rebounds, 5 assists and 5 blocks every game.
D) Andrew Bynum finds his game by dominating Shaq/Howard/Perkins putting them in foul trouble every game and averaging 25 points and 20 rebounds.
E) Derek Fisher, in limited minutes, draws 10 charges a game and hits many critical buzzer beaters.

You only have to look at the last Lakers game against Boston to see why these aren't Finals MVP type guys.

2 points in 7 minutes in the 4th quarter.

That has NEVER happened with Kobe on the court and that is why nobody will ever be Finals MVP other than Kobe on his team.

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

Why did you skip all the way to the 2007-2008 season?

Why didn't you list the wins?

November 6th, Kobe 41 points, 19 of 30 shots. 61%
March 3rd, 2009 Kobe 31 points, 12 of 23 shots, 52%
December 22, 2008, Kobe 36 points, 14 of 23 shots, 61%

What is the relevance of how many shots Kobe takes?

I didn't list the wins because I was too lazy to look them up. I also left off assists. The relevance of how many shots Kobe takes is what fuels most the fire between the lovers and the haters. I'm just stirring the pot, and you shouldn't mind at all. I have nothing for or against Kobe. He is what he is and does what he does. He will be missed when he leaves the NBA. Some will be happy and some will be sad. Besides, I love to own trolls and I guess you could say I am baiting them. MiamiHeat got a good spanking recently. Maybe I can catch a Lakers fan now, but certainly you won't fall for it, you're too wise.

You only have to look at the last Lakers game against Boston to see why these aren't Finals MVP type guys.

2 points in 7 minutes in the 4th quarter.

That has NEVER happened with Kobe on the court and that is why nobody will ever be Finals MVP other than Kobe on his team.

I agree another Lakers player would probably never become finals MVP, but certainly the players I listed have the ability to rise up and dominate in a given game. So, I am just baiting to see how people attack or defend Kobe. I may not have anything else to say, or then again I might. Just trying to contribute. Thank you for your reply. Don't ask me questions, answer mine, or just ignore it.

[Allanon]

Don't ask me questions, answer mine, or just ignore it.

I get the feeling you're not a hater per se or even an ass.

I'm not going to waste our time arguing with you; I save that just for the real haters

[Killakobe81]

LOL funny stuff ...this stuff just makes me laugh it's an never ending battle...the guys on this site fit in to these stereo-types (mostly):

Kobe fananatics: All he needs is 6 rings and he is GOAT they dont care how much he shoots or if we should play inside out in Kobe They trust

MJ lovers: Even if Kobe (or Lebron wins 6) they can never be as great as MJ

Lebron fans (aka Witnesses): he is the Chosen one he doesnt need a ring or 6 les he is already Greater than Kobe and Mj for that matter ...

Diehard Laker fans: Admit Kobe/ has his flaws (a bit shot hungry, breaks the offense sometimesy on defense when we KNOW he can be one of ythe best defender) BUT we defend him because the HATERS will not give him his due

Realistic NBA fan (insert team name here): Concerned about their team, will question the front office or coach REALISTICALLY, recognize there is a salary cap and will not ALWAYS (but sometimes) sacrifice the future to win now, will give credit to opposing teams or players instead of looking for excuses ...

average Spur fan: Inferiority complex: "the refs and Stern hate us!!" Duncan and David worshipers, Pop bashers who think THEY know more than the 4 time champion coach. Yell 4 rings! fa44ot, rapist!, Or dirk has a mangina crap ...

Real Spur fan: they keep this site the best NBA site I have found. They back their posts with facts or at the very least intelligent and fair reasoning ... they trust in POp and duncan sometimes to a fault ...but they love good basketball above all else ...

Real Basketball fans: They contribute and will engage in healthy debate but don't typically name call or get trolled

Syphatisizer/Bandwagoner: not a fan of theirown particular team but if their "home" team sucks they symphatize with a fanbase, take their side in debates or jump on the bandwagon while their own team rebuilds ...

Troll/Haters: Too many on here to name but because their team sucks, or they have some kind of inferiority complex or even worse a holier than though at ude endlessly bash Kobe, C3p, Dirk etc. BUT if they love a player overlook their flaws

It's funny I bet most on here can classify the high volume posters in to one (or more) of these classes and get a good feel for the NBA forum ... thank God though for teh good posters.
I no longer get upset by the ridiculous posts on here (ocassionally I admit I got trolled) now I respond when i have time ...ignore most of the crap I see and i have had great dialogue with Duns&dave, Duncanowns kobe, Jamstone, Alanon etc.

This is a great site I hate to see it detoriate in to crap ...like it has at times lately ....

[jmill]

So, my question is, now that his team has won 4 of 5 without him, how many shots will Kobe take tonight?

19

32 points on those 19 shots. Pau/Fisher missed 5 FTs in a row late in the 4th quarter, Artest missed a wide open 3 about as bad as you could miss, and Odom had a pretty lolbad turnover that could of cost them the game. TBH, the team sort of imploded in crunch time. Kobe then hit the game winning 3 with 4 seconds left.

Proof, as always, that small sample sizes(i.e. 5 game sample sizes) really don't mean a whole lot, and people generally just use them to argue a point to fit their own agenda. Kind of like what I just did, except that I realize that 1 game doesn't actually mean very much, and I don't actually believe Kobe is some mythical creature who's that much better than everyone else. I'll leave that to Lebron.

Oh yea, more fun with numbers over a limited sample size of games, since everyone enjoys pointing out LA was 4-1 in those 5 games w/o Kobe.



Pau Gasol's FG% in those 5 games without Kobe: 48%
Pau Gasol's lifetime FG% with Kobe: 56%
Pau Gasol's lifetime FG% without Kobe: 50%

Looks like there's a correlation there.

[redzero]

I have an obligation to post this.

[JamStone]

Props to ESPN for not making Kobe's game winner a top ten play... of course they did give Kobe a game winner montage to end the show though lmaoooo

[DAF86]

Most FGM in the final 24 seconds of a one-possesion game since 2002-03:

1-Lebron - 25
2-Kobe - 24

I bet all you Kobe lovers thought he was the one leading this category.

[jmill]

Most FGM in the final 24 seconds of a one-possesion game:

1-Lebron - 25
2-Kobe - 24

I bet all you Kobe lovers thought he was the one leading this category.

No, don't really care either. Lebron is and has been the best player in the NBA for a while. Sorry to disappoint.

[ChrisRichards]

ESPN

Reporter: What is it about this guy (Kobe) that makes him so great during clutch situations?
Phil: (straight face) He's lucky.


love phil

[bostonguy]

If Kobe wants to have 4-6 more kickass seasons, he needs to take better care of his body. Sitting out for 17 days was the best thing for him. He looks fresh.

[Ode to Triple Ocho]

If Kobe wants to have 4-6 more kickass seasons, he needs to take better care of his body. Sitting out for 17 days was the best thing for him. He looks fresh.

i thought he looked a step slow, wasn't cutting/planting as fast. still raped with utmost efficiency

[IronMexican]

No, don't really care either. Lebron is and has been the best player in the NBA for a while. Sorry to disappoint.

Most FGM in the final 24 seconds of a one-possesion game since 2002-03:

1-Lebron - 25
2-Kobe - 24

I bet all you Kobe lovers thought he was the one leading this category.

Seriously? Lol. LeBron leading by one. Who gives a .

[supervietnamlakers]

hi my name is bao, im a big vietnamese lakers fans. i ask y people hating on kobe so much?

[Allanon]

hi my name is bao, im a big vietnamese lakers fans. i ask y people hating on kobe so much?

Bao, this is a Spurs forum. So this is the "game" we have to play here.

A) Kobe hater says about Kobe
B) Reasonable fan says good thing about Kobe back to hater
C) Start over

[Kobe Bryant Fan]

Man, I am impressed there is a Kobe Bryant stickied thread here. LeBron sucks, that's why he doesn't have one. Kobe for MVP!

[supervietnamlakers]

Bao, this is a Spurs forum. So this is the "game" we have to play here.

A) Kobe hater says about Kobe
B) Reasonable fan says good thing about Kobe back to hater
C) Start over

i see. thanks much men. i never understand this hate. but i guess people hate great players. nothing new hehehe.

[BadOdor]

i see. thanks much men. i never understand this hate. but i guess people hate great players. nothing new hehehe.

Son, what kind of stupid name is Bao??!! are you a en Chihuahua?

[Cane]

Bao, this is a Spurs forum. So this is the "game" we have to play here.

A) Kobe hater says about Kobe
B) Reasonable fan says good thing about Kobe back to hater
C) Start over

Definitely has that but you're also forgetting:

1A) Before this sticky, the amount of threads pro-Kobe trolls made was nuts and turned turned the NBA forum into a Kobe one. Most of it was about stupid and minor and worse than the already low quality of threads around here.

I blame Kool Aid Woman and the other such ty fans around here. Also dumb like saying Kobe > Jordan also warrants a special place for those special people.

[RedsLakers24]

Deshawn Stevenson About Bryant and James - Kobe is better all around player than Lebron

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVIBj...layer_embedded

[IronMexican]

Deshawn Stevenson thinks he's better than LeBron.

[Cry Havoc]

http://thehoopdoctors.com/online2/20...t-shine-video/

Classy, Kobe.

[JamStone]

Was already a thread about that...

Andre should just give Kobe $10. Seems like a pretty harmless handjob right there. Kobe a celebrity, so maybe it's worth $25.

[king andoks]

I know, why is there all this Kobe hate? I'd love to give Kobe a nice big pixie hug and cherish that moment for a lifetime. All of you know, if you had a chance you would show your flamboyant ways with Kobe.

[Venti Quattro]