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I'll see man. I live in NYC so it's tough lol. But if it's at all possible I will. No doubt
Spacing is poor ...
and ...
Shaq is notoriously jealous so I dont think it would last.
Shaq was not going to mentor Tim the way David did.
Besides twin towers rarely ever work when BOTH guys are in their primes.
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I'll see man. I live in NYC so it's tough lol. But if it's at all possible I will. No doubt
The Big O? I think his stature has diminished. Unfortunate. West is the Logo while Oscar gets included in some top twenty lists, some top ten. The guy was a triple double machine when nobody made a big deal out of that stuff. Back when the NBA got televised on Sundays after the NFL season ended, I loved the rare Sunday when a Cincinnati game was televised just so I could see The Big O ply his trade. Probably still my favorite player of all time. And I think he was much better than currently acknowledged. Please excuse the rant - just a guy who loves the sport of basketball and idolizes Oscar Robertson.
I agree completely, I cringe whenever I see Kobe or Shaq voted or regarded higher than Timmy, but then I realize that people aren't very smart. I learned LONG ago to never argue with or debate a person in "best of their generation...Kobe, Shaq or Duncan?" argument because I literally don't believe there is one. And I mean OBJECTIVELY speaking. It stands to reason that whatever puts Shaq or Kobe in the company of Duncan is SHARED by the other player. So its naturally MUCH easier to win if you have the help of another top 3 generational player. It never made any sense to me. Duncan is the obvious choice. Its like two of the three best fighters jumping the third and both claiming to be the greatest fighter. Yet twice (99 and 2003) that other fighter beat the out of BOTH of you AT THE SAME TIME and won more MVPs than BOTH of you during your PRIME...how is it even a question? Add longevity and market into the equation and it becomes embarrassing that it's even a supposed argument.
But again you'll feel a lot better about this stuff if you just realize people aren't very smart.
Duncan had a great bank-shot in his prime so that helps. but part of the reason David and duncan worked is because both could hit the mid-range jumper ...
Shaq did not have a great mid-range jumper so that forces duncan one of the best low post players of his our any generation in to a jump-shooter.
Which doesnt make much sense. Duncan and dirk would work much better as a duo because their skills and weaknesses complement each other much more naturally.
Prime Pau and duncan also works much better.
Your first team is awesome - except Lebron doesn't just edge out Bird, but beats him handily. But I did see all the guys you admittedly did not see, so I disagree completely with your second team. Most of those guys would be third teamers (subs uting Hakeem for Shaq). Second team: Wilt, KG (over Dirk handily), Elgin, West, Oscar.
your point is valid but you are not objective.
I do agree, duncan deserves bonus credit for winning with HoF'ers but not truly transcendant stars like Lebron had Wade or Shaq had Kobe.
I do find it funny some on here will make a case for Manu over Kobe ...but now when this subject comes up it's "shaq had a top 3 generational star".
But your point still stands, but let's not act like you are being objective.
Prime Dirk was a perimeter player. He did not like to mix it up inside and that always galled me about him. But you are right - he and Tim would have been a PERFECT combo. If only Dirk hadn't been as loyal to the Mavs as Tim was to the Spurs!
Well I think it's pretty clear (Lebron over Bird) but I am respecting his evolution on the game.
When you factor in length of dominance and now that James has carried a team with probably no other HOF'ers to a le I agree I should say CLEARLY over Bird.
As for Dirk the ring matters and though KG has one as well ...dirk definitely carried his team more ...and did it for his own franchise. Maybe I am biased cuz I live here now (i used to argue KG because of defense) but if you watch Dirk play for 60 plus games you see how much he impacts teh game. His defense is mediocre but he is also a big time rebounder and clutch. KG at his very best did not seem very clutch to me ...
Malone also has a case but again rings matter to me ...
I think it's why he developed the one legged fade ...to ward off bigger defenders but also get his shot off.
Like Tim (and Shaq) dirk is also a bniliant playoff performer his numbers go up tremendously.
People have different criteria and points of emphasis within their criteria. Rings are not high among my criteria. So, I value KG for his great agility and defensive prowess in addition to his all-around offensive game - probably for the same reasons you once placed him over Dirk. He just had a great all-around game until the last 3-4 years. As for Malone (and Stockton, too) I hardly think of them in terms of which All-time Great Team I would put them on - ironically (or hypocritically!) enough probably because they never rang and did not receive the recognition that ringing brings.
That's because it's a dumb argument. Manu is a badass, no question about it, he is not a Kobe though. Manu was the ULTIMATE 6th man. Could have been a starter easily on the Spurs or any other team but he was not a franchise player. Manu is a definite HOFer for his contributions to the Spurs and his national team but Kobe was Kobe.
Cowherd still piling on Timmy today, saying Kobe was better because Duncan was boring, and because more kids wanted to buy Kobe shoes.
Some of you well-spoken schmoes need to call into his show today to defend Duncan.
That's Cowherd's shtick. He loves to troll and I wouldn't pay any attention to it.
So they waived him?
Anyone know where we can stream Pop's TD retirement press conference?
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