Spurs Select G Derrick White in the 2017 NBA Draft (29th Overall)

[Pavlov]

You could try answering questions instead of making dump assumptions.

This isn't what you've been saying?

What are you saying?

[DAF86]

Both. White is a better PG. Forbes is a better shooter.

To be honest, Forbes played 80 games last year and started in 12. So PATFO is already sold on him to play in the rotation.

The most natural point guard on the team is White. Murray be the designated PG, but until he lowers his dribble and can shoot, there will be opportunity for White.

Last year Spurs had Parker, Ginobilli and even Anderson to play PG duties. None of them are back.

It's sink or swim, Murray, White or Forbes will need to learn how to play the position.

I recall Parker in one of his tweets saying that this is White's opportunity to step up.

So, who's out of the rotation? Mills, Bellinelli?

[Pavlov]

You know or not. Make up your mind, tbh.

No one can know any of this. I told you what I think.

[J_Paco]

I'm in the camp this will be good for Derrick White. Now that I know his commitment is over 1 week before training camp, this seems like the best way to be ready for training camp. He will be in better game ready mode by training camp and should compete for a spot in the rotation which is what training camp and preseason is for. Incredible opportunity to play intense games with JVG coaching.

Not to mention if he impresses the coaches on opportunities like this his name may come up more often in the future for even bigger tournaments. Hopefully things go smooth li y and his game and confidence grows from this experience.

Exactly, it might not be against top flight compe ion but it is more reps against pro players of varying skill levels.

[Chinook]

This isn't what you've been saying?

What are you saying?

You should try actually answering questions. There's legit trying to point out issues in people's argument, and there's not arguing in good faith. You're doing the second one right now. You're suggesting that White's inclusion has nothing to do with his projected role in the NBA next year. If that's the case, why weren't guys with solid NBA roles also included on the roster? It doesn't make sense to assume that everyone higher than White in standing declined. It makes more sense to believe they weren't even asked because of a decision to go after lesser-tier guys. The question I have is why White is considered to be in a tier with d-leaguers and fringe rotation guys when the USANT's coach should be expecting him to be a solid rotation player. SpursDynasty85 provided an interesting reason, though not one without problems. You've yet to.

[Pavlov]

You should try actually answering questions. There's legit trying to point out issues in people's argument, and there's not arguing in good faith. You're doing the second one right now. You're suggesting that White's inclusion has nothing to do with his projected role in the NBA next year. If that's the case, why weren't guys with solid NBA roles also included on the roster? It doesn't make sense to assume that everyone higher than White in standing declined. It makes more sense to believe they weren't even asked because of a decision to go after lesser-tier guys. The question I have is why White is considered to be in a tier with d-leaguers and fringe rotation guys when the USANT's coach should be expecting him to be a solid rotation player.

He's currently in that tier.

After this season, probably not. At least that's what I think.

Pretty simple.

This is a bunch of hand wringing over nothing.

IMO

[DAF86]

No one can know any of this. I told you what I think.

Of course, nobody knows for sure. I'm just asking you what do you think the rotation will be.

Every Spurs fan already has, in his/her mind, the possible rotation of the team. To me it's clear that veterans like Mills, Bellinelli, DeRozan, Aldridge, Gasol and Gay will play. Then Murray is a lock too. Then, because of a matter of roster construction, I think Bertans and Poetl will be rotation players too. That leaves place for only one more rotation player. I think that player should be White, but I fear it might be Forbes.

If you say "White will play", I have to infer that you think White will be a rotation player. That's why I'm asking you who do you think will be out of the rotation to open the space for White.

[Pavlov]

Of course, nobody knows for sure. I'm just asking you what do you think the rotation will be.

Every Spurs fan already has, in his/her mind, the possible rotation of the team. To me it's clear that veterans like Mills, Bellinelli, DeRozan, Aldridge, Gasol and Gay will play. Then Murray is a lock too. Then, because of a matter of roster construction, I think Bertans and Poetl will be rotation players too. That leaves place for only one more rotation player. I think that player should be White, but I fear it might be Forbes.

If you say "White will play", I have to infer that you think White will be a rotation player. That's why I'm asking you who do you think will be out of the rotation to open the space for White.

I think there will be wholesale experimentation to start the season with White and Forbes getting rotation minutes. If Forbes shoots exceptionally well, they'll stick with him. If not they'll go with White. Their roles will probably change more than once in the season and you'll all point to that as a reason they don't go farther in the playoffs.

Any other questions?

[DAF86]

I think there will be wholesale experimentation to start the season with White and Forbes getting rotation minutes. If Forbes shoots exceptionally well, they'll stick with him. If not they'll go with White. Their roles will probably change more than once in the season and you'll all point to that as a reason they don't go farther in the playoffs.

Any other questions?

Yes. Do you think that should be the way to handle White? I don't. I think White is a very promising player that needs to be given consistent minutes (and a consistent role) to see if he can translate all that promise into the NBA.

[Pavlov]

Yes. Do you think that should be the way to handle White? I don't. I think White is a very promising player that needs to be given consistent minutes to see if he can translate all that promise into the NBA.

Of course you do.

Hence my prediction in the previous post.

I'm fine with it.

[DAF86]

Of course you do.

Hence my prediction in the previous post.

I'm fine with it.

Of course you do. That way, if White is relegated to garbage time minutes at the expense of one dimensional players like Mills, Forbes and Bellinelli, you have an out to keep justifying every single decision Pop and the Spurs management make.

[Pavlov]

Of course you do. That way, if White is relegated to garbage time minutes at the expense of one dimensional players like Mills, Forbes and Bellinelli, you have an out to keep justifying every single decision Pop and the Spurs management make.

Nah, I certainly can say he should have played more if I think he played better than the others. You'll always have the fantasy argument that he could've been better if he played more in the first place.

It's easy.

[Pavlov]

Anyway is tonight's game being televised so we can watch this scrub fail?

[SpursDynasty85]

I feel like sometimes easing players into the rotation is a good thing too. Some players just aren't ready and they struggle and lose confidence which can lead to bad habits and undisciplined on the court. It is probably the safer thing to do.
Has Pop been perfect? No, but I think he'll get it right more than not this year. He has to. Too many new players anyway.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

White spent last season playing in the D league. This next season he will be a rotation player playing in about 60 games averaging 5 minutes a game. Y'all don't know my style of coaching yet?

[SAGirl]

Yes, the drama queening over two weeks of a 24 year old's summer is silly.

Pav you like to hit your head against a wall right?

[SAGirl]

Davis Bertans for example is not participating on behalf of team latvia bc the tournament was too close to the start of training camp. That's definitely a sign that he's expected to be a rotation player from the beginning.

https://news4sanantonio.com/sports/s...fier-this-fall

Of course, I would very much like it, if games were, for example, at the end of August, without questions, I would definitely play.

[Pavlov]

Pav you like to hit your head against a wall right?

Nope. I said what I meant.

[SAGirl]

Both. White is a better PG. Forbes is a better shooter.

To be honest, Forbes played 80 games last year and started in 12. So PATFO is already sold on him to play in the rotation.

The most natural point guard on the team is White. Murray be the designated PG, but until he lowers his dribble and can shoot, there will be opportunity for White.

Last year Spurs had Parker, Ginobilli and even Anderson to play PG duties. None of them are back.

It's sink or swim, Murray, White or Forbes will need to learn how to play the position.

I recall Parker in one of his tweets saying that this is White's opportunity to step up.

You might have a point on Forbes. I kind of expected him to be a depth bench player (he wouldn't have played all that much last season if the team didn't have the rash of injuries on the wing that it had, and if Kiwi had not be made...)... And he played the vast majority of his minutes as a wing anyways, not a PG.

Anyways, I don't know where Pop stands on Forbes vs. White debate but I will not now be surprised if Forbes is ahead in the rotation with White having to prove himself from the deep bench and grabbing a spot by standing out when given opportunities. I do expect opportunities for White. If he sucks, then that's different. Even real scrubs like JoLo got plenty opportunities last season.

[SAGirl]

Nope. I said what I meant.

basically... wall meets your head. lol

[Pavlov]

basically... wall meets your head. lol

Nope.

This is an amazing amount of drama anywhere outside ST.

They have plans for White and he will play IMO.

[SAGirl]

White will be behind Forbes to start the season because Forbes was here first. "It wouldn't be fair to others, blah, blah" and all that.

White will probably surpass Forbes in the rotation relatively soon considering Forbes is complete dog , but the initial rotation is not some big mystery. We know how Pop works, people. Classic Spurstalk overanalysis indeed.

You might be very right.

White probably thought, heck, I am not going to be in the rotation to start, and I will get my chances after Forbes proves inadequate or there are injuries?

Well Ok then, I am playing for this Gleague team USA squad, then I will come in and steal other's cookies... (Forbes, or Mills or Marco...)

If he can't steal anyone's cookies ... well he might be on a CoJo path (if he were to get on a DeColo path, it would be disappointing).

[SAGirl]

Nope.

This is an amazing amount of drama anywhere outside ST.

They have plans for White and he will play IMO.

This is a board for speculation among fans and is the dog ends of the summer. You want to hit your head against a wall, go ahead Pav.

Or maybe you prefer threads that talk about Jilly's feet and peanut butter... (bc some people do like Jilly tbh)

[Pavlov]

This is a board for speculation among fans and is the dog ends of the summer. You want to hit your head against a wall, go ahead Pav.

Actually you're the one doing that digging for information to support your dramatic conclusion that White is considered expendable. (Look! Look! See? Bertans!)

Or maybe you prefer threads that talk about Jilly's feet and peanut butter... (bc some people do like Jilly tbh)

Yeah, because I've posted so much in that thread. That's weak your throwing.

[Pavlov]

Anyway is tonight's game being televised so we can watch this scrub fail?

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