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    I wanna trade back if we're outside the top 2....we can still get one of those guys and another player
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    Sure Georgia is terrible, but Miller with 21pt, 2bk, 3/5 on 3PT so far (8 minutes to go), smooth catch and shoot 3s and all.

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    Strange that after consensus on picks 1 & 2, there is not even a plurality on #3. Tells me that the draft may not be very deep in truly high valued players.???

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    Strange that after consensus on picks 1 & 2, there is not even a plurality on #3. Tells me that the draft may not be very deep in truly high valued players.???
    Why would there be a consensus at 3 right now?

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    I beg to differ, what I 'm seeing of Miller defensively leads to me to think he can be elite on that part. Mobile, focused, nice hands and feet, quick lateral movement, anticipates well (0.9 stl) he's taller than Nephew and play a different postion (although not so sure in today's positionless NBA,) but as I already said, if commited (and he seems like that kind of guy) I see a potential elite two way player. TOs are an issue but nothing dramatic for a college player.

    I mean a 6'9 mobile, young scoring player shooting 42.5% on high volume 3s and 82.5 on FTs with great potential on defense and good mentality is what you may want in your 2023's NBA... Reason why I see him as the guy behind the big 2 .
    Plus the 0.8 block per game for Miller, he may be good on D i agree.

    Keyonte George going a little wild. These are kind of bad 3s he's taking but he's hitting.
    He's really talented, i only have concerns about his athletism and his ability to finish at the rim.

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    He's really talented, i only have concerns about his athletism and his ability to finish at the rim.
    His athleticism seems to be fine and he's crafty with the ball. My issue on O is an absurd shot selection.

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    His athleticism seems to be fine and he's crafty with the ball. My issue on O is an absurd shot selection.
    Yes his shot selection is not good, he's trying to do too much. Imo he lacks some explosiveness/leap but he's not a poor athlet.

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    Because I don’t share the same philosophy you or others do. If you covet a player, you take him without risk losing the chance to get him. You trade down, you risk another team getting that player. Other times, there weren’t any realistic trades on the table and folks get upset the team drafted a player they “could have gotten later”. I’m not so obsessed with getting incremental value especially when there’s risk involved. Most view roster management like it’s trading cards and squeezing what they can out of every asset while ignoring the nuances behind every move. It’s the Daryl Morey style of management, and I’m glad the Spurs are not close to being that.
    +1

    The "we could have gotten him later" argument conveniently ignores the fact you don't have that "later" pick. Everyone likes to think this is 2k where you can always find a trade down scenario, but sometimes it just isn't there. Pick your guy and let the chips fall.

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    If we don’t get Scoot or Wemby, I am convinced we need to get either Amen or Black to set this team up for future success. Both are 6-7 PGs that have the athleticism and ability to play elite defense, which is going to be sorely needed if 2 of KJ, Branham, and Vessel are starting for us in the future.
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    Because I don’t share the same philosophy you or others do. If you covet a player, you take him without risk losing the chance to get him. You trade down, you risk another team getting that player. Other times, there weren’t any realistic trades on the table and folks get upset the team drafted a player they “could have gotten later”. I’m not so obsessed with getting incremental value especially when there’s risk involved. Most view roster management like it’s trading cards and squeezing what they can out of every asset while ignoring the nuances behind every move. It’s the Daryl Morey style of management, and I’m glad the Spurs are not close to being that.
    The post I replied to came from a conversation where you stated: "Jarace Walker, Keyonte George, Cam Whitmore, GG Jackson. Any of these guys if we land outside the top 2 and I’m satisfied tbh". It is in that context (that you come out satisfied picking any of a bunch of players projected to go in a wide range) that I said "at the very least trade back and get picks".
    But now you reply while changing your tune by saying "If you covet a player, you take him without risk losing the chance to get him. You trade down, you risk another team getting that player". Sure, having a specific target and not being willing to risk losing him is fine, but it's the exact opposite of the scenario you posted and prompted my reply.
    Also, it's false that it necessarily entails a huge risk, when at its simplest form it's as easy as picking up the most coveted of the bunch and being open to listening to offers. If one of your other targets is available by the time an interested team is on the clock, you pull the trigger. Otherwise you don't. That's not a particularly convoluted scenario, it happens every year multiple times and if you follow the draft you should know that. I'd liken that style more to Danny Ainge than Moorey, tbh.
    So I think before chalking it up to "philosophy" differences, "obsession" with getting incremental value and (non) "nuanced" views (with an all too common and poorly disguised condescending undertone), you might want to start with coherence and honesty, that's a much better starting point.
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    Good Lord, you are like the bizarro version of Sugus. Not fun to converse with, takes things too personal, writes himself in circles resulting in needlessly long essays. I did my best to read it with an open mind and all I sense is butthurt because I don’t share your view. Then you go on to accuse me of stupid that I wasn’t trying to do and this is the same old boring exercise all because I don’t conform to your sheep-like views.

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    I have no problem with anyone not sharing my views, that's just fine. Also it was like a 2 sentence post that triggered your passive aggressive response. But no problem from me, you do you and I'll do me. Moving along.

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    Dream off-season… we get Wemby, we trade for Josh Giddey some how. I would ejaculate everywhere to see Wemby, Giddey, and Sochan playing together

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    Dream off-season… we get Wemby, we trade for Josh Giddey some how. I would ejaculate everywhere to see Wemby, Giddey, and Sochan playing together
    Not on me, thank you.

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    https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/sta...94395704082432

    The more I think about it, the more Dariq Whitehead makes sense: 18, 6'6", athletic, talented, can REALLY shoot (42% 3pt, 93% ft%), slipping because had a slow start plus some injuries, but high potential. If he can be had with a low lottery pick, he's probably the best cost/reward, swing for the fences type bet. We have a lot of future picks, I'd be tempted to use one on him... maybe the Charlotte pick + 5 second rounders?

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    https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/sta...94395704082432

    The more I think about it, the more Dariq Whitehead makes sense: 18, 6'6", athletic, talented, can shoot, slipping because had a slow start plus some injuries, but high potential. If he can be had with a low lottery pick, he's probably the best cost/reward, swing for the fences type bet.
    He was my clear number 3 in this draft after HS. He's a really really good player, high potential but the injuries slowed him a lot.

    Would be a steal outside the top 10.

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    He was my clear number 3 in this draft after HS. He's a really really good player, high potential but the injuries slowed him a lot.

    Would be a steal outside the top 10.
    Honestly he's probably a better bet than A LOT of the guys projected to go in the 3-10 range. GG Jackson is the other high potential guy that is projected to slip, but Dariq seems way safer.

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    Honestly he's probably a better bet than A LOT of the guys projected to go in the 3-10 range. GG Jackson is the other high potential guy that is projected to slip, but Dariq seems way safer.
    It sounds crazy today but if he was healthy imo he would be in discussion with scoot for the no.2


    He was impressive in HS

    Edit : re watching his HS highlights, looks like he add a lot of bulk, plus the injuries... the reasons of his season imo.

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    Yeah, I liked him but I am not touching a top 10 coming off a broken foot

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    Yeah, I liked him but I am not touching a top 10 coming off a broken foot
    I am if he is deemed healthy by the medical staff. That's what they get paid for, to evaluate player's injuries.

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    Yeah, I liked him but I am not touching a top 10 coming off a broken foot
    If he falls low enough, FO might draft him

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    We need to throw out high school rankings once college starts. Literally do not matter.

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    Here, for example, is the ESPN high school rankings for 2019.

    https://www.espn.com/college-sports/...s/_/class/2019

    Look at any other year. Doesn't exactly dazzle.

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    Here, for example, is the ESPN high school rankings for 2019.

    https://www.espn.com/college-sports/...s/_/class/2019

    Look at any other year. Doesn't exactly dazzle.
    This is fun!

    From 2018:

    #5 - Romeo Langford
    #7 - Keldon Johnson
    #17 - Tre Jones
    #18 - Charles Bassey


    WEEEEEE STAAAAAAAACKED

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