It's not a foul as the hand is considered a part of the ball. Basketball 101.
None of the above. I wasn't actually looking for an answer. Look, Terry's suspended. He shouldn't have done it. The end.For the 567890 time - punch is an automatic suspension. Which word in this sentence needs to be explained?
Punch? Is? An? Automatic? Or maybe suspension? Don't be shy, just say which word is the problematic one.
Doesn't mean I'm happy he's suspended.
stupid actions warrant stupid suspensions. Terry brought this on to himself.
its his immaturity that got in the way, he got so y, pardon the pun, he lost himself in the moment. It was a dumb mistake and he has to live with the consequences. If it were the other way around Mark Cuban would be in a van with bullhorns screaming bloody murder.
Do Mavs fans really want to compare fanbases to see which one is actually hickish? Do I need to recant my experiences with the rest of your herd?
No one is saying you should be happy. I think we're just sick of the idiocy that somehow this suspension is unwarranted.
Bowen really was the big time calming influence last night there in the final seconds.
Props to Bruce for reminding the team that it wasnt over yet.
Do Mavs fans really want to compare fanbases to see which one is actually hickish? Do I need to recant my experiences with the rest of your herd?
No you don't, we have your dufus avatar pic to go by. See ya tomorrow, bring some Kleenex. Night.
Toodles.
From Mike Fisher at Dallasbasketball.com. He's been researching the league's history for incidents like this one just to prove this suspension is NOT consistent to other infractions. Biased or not, he makes a great point:
NBA PUTS DALLAS IN WONDERLAND: Reggie Evans got a firm grip on another player's testicles and on May 1 was not suspended. Udonis Haslem lost his grip on a flying mouthpiece and on April 24 was suspended.
Richard Jefferson kicked a ball into the stands and on April 11 got a $5,000 fine. Carmelo Anthony threw a ball into the stands and on April 5 got a $15,000 fine.
Bruce Bowen kicked Ray Allen in the back and on March 28 was fined but not suspended. Rasheed Wallace earlier that month March 2006 flagrantly clubbed Zydrunas Ilgauskas over the head, opening a wound that needed five s ches. Wallace was fined and but not suspended.
Michael Finley seemed to intentionally hipcheck Jason Terry in the head while Terry was pinned to the floor. Terry seemed to retaliate with a balled-up fist and a jab to Finley's groin area.
Who is wrong? Who is right? Who gets fined, and how much? Who gets suspended, and for how long?
Who knows?
Mavs owner Mark Cuban is livid about the one-game suspension for Terry, meaning he'll miss Friday's critical Game 6 of Mavs-Spurs, and says, “It’s certainly not consistent with what the league has done in the past.”
No it is not. The inconsistency and imbalance of the NBA's zig-zaggy, subjective-to-arbitrary approach to punishments for outside-the-rules conduct is maddening. Terry is lost to his team for an elimination playoff game, and Finley receives a likely "attaboy'' whispered to him from his employers for starting an altercation without detection or punishment.
The NBA alledgedly told the Mavs that Terry's balled-up fist is evidence enough of his guilt, while they judge Finley's intentions as less clear. But given the aforementioned incidents, all of them recent, all of them caught on tape, none of them handled in any sensible or measurable order, the NBA's intellectual track record here is at best dubious.
Meanwhile, more basketball-lovin' fingers will try to plug more cracks and leaks in the "The NBA Is Fixed'' dike.
Grabbing some testicles is OK. Jabbing near them is not. Throwing a mouthpiece is not OK. Throwing an elbow is. Kicking a ball is no different than kicking an opponent. I can bash you in the head. You can't bash me in the midsection. Or can we?
Who is serving as the Judge in these cases? David Stern? Stu Jackson? The King of Hearts from "Alice In Wonderland''?
"Curioser and Curioser," indeed.
The paw of Denver's Evans was caught in Clippers center Chris Kaman's cookie jar. But when no suspension was handed down, Evans pretended it to be proof of his innocence. "The tape speaks for itself without me saying it," Evans says. "If I did something wrong, I would have been suspended. Let's put it like that."
Yeah, but. ... no. Not in this league. You can be suspended for doing nothing wrong. You can be not suspended for doing something wrong.
If you "ball your fist,'' do you get suspended? That's what the league told the Mavs. Yet there are volumes of recent cases where that is simply not true. Proof:
# Rasheed Wallace was beaten on a play in a Pistons-Cans game in March 2006. So as Zydrunas Ilgauskas dribbled by him, Wallace reached out and clubbed him over the head, opening a wound that needed five s ches. Wallace was issued a flagrant foul and fined and but not suspended.
# In a Heat-Pacers playoff game in April 2005, Antoine Walker and Stephen Jackson "squared off,'' according to the Associated Press account. But all they received were technicals.
# In an April 2006 Suns-Lakers game, Boris Diaw and Luke Walton engaged in what the AP called "skirmishes,'' Walton "clothes-lined'' another Sun, and Diaw and Kwame Brown "squared off.''
No suspensions from that game. No fines.
# On April 15, 2005, in Pacers-76ers (again from AP), "Dale Davis and Samuel Dalembert were ejected in the third quarter of Friday night's game after they were involved in a shoving match. ... The two players got tangled up while going for a rebound. The officials called a double foul, but after the whistle Davis chased Dalembert across the lane with his hands balled into fists.''
Were there balled fists, and pushing and shoving? There were. Were there ensuing suspensions? There were not.
We're not suggesting that balled-up fists and 'bows to the face and kicks in the back shouldn't be taken seriously. The November 2004 Pacers/Pistons/fans riot -- labeled at the time by Commissioner David Stern "shocking, repulsive and inexcusable" -- is a still-fresh embarrassment. For that matter, so is the Kermit Washington sucker punch of Rudy Tomjanovich in 1977, a blow that fractured a face and a couple of lives and caused NBA higher-ups to realize the serious damage that can be done with 6-9, 250-pound men are allowed to completely unleash their angry wrath on one another.
But is that what Jason Terry did? And if you answer "yes,'' didn't Michael Finley do it first? Terry's behavior is, no matter the cir stances, unfortunate. But considering the proximity of Finley to his head, and his offending arm to the ground, it was hardly a "roundhouse punch.'' A lenient arbiter could have called it a "push'' to remove a 6-6, 225-pound man from his head and neck.
Furthermore, upon zoomed-in observation, it appears Terry actually strikes the fabric of Finley's shorts well above any "sensitive area.'' Finley's theatrical reaction - he didn't recoil in pain as men are wont to do when popped in the testicles, but instead jumped to his feet and barked and pointed at Terry -- could be viewed as a fake.
"Finley went berserk,'' Cuban says, "like the world had just ended.''
Maybe all of that is why the NBA officials on the scene saw nothing, and called nothing.
Because nothing dangerous, fine-able, suspension-worthy, really happened.
Other Spurs "flop'' with their entire bodies. Did Michael Finley just "floppy'' with his johnson?
Kaman, probably still wincing a bit even weeks after being victimized by Evans, offers the explanation he was given by the NBA for why his molester Evans got off with only a fine. "What the league did say,'' Kaman says, "was that it was an unprecedented event and they weren't sure how to handle it.''
Some of that is true. As the Jason Terry incident demonstrates, the NBA clearly isn't "sure how to handle'' much of anything of this nature.
hey mavs fans lets jsut face it....u can hate on the spurs all u want...but u waht jet did was wrong and he tried to get away with it....he ed yall over...so stop supporting him...i honestly thought that the spurs were in trouble going into game 6.but now since jet is a dumbass things will be easier...if yall lose this series dont blame anyone but jason "nut checking" terry
The world is back to normal. Mavs fans are ing about the refs and the league. Cuban is making a royal ass out of himself in public with his 'smack talk'....
Terry got baited nasty
great reasrch on mr fishers part....but what if u got punched in the family jewels....grabbing and being a ...and punching attempt to hurt sumone is different...u can look at all of those things and thats alot...the nba was a lot nicer back in the day with those descicions but now the nba has had enough and they just made it clear ur not getting away with anythig...and theres nothing u can do about it but complain...the descion was made and it isnt gonna change ...so get over it...good luck in game 6
Blah, blah, blah. Just another pissed off Mavs fan rant.
Question Mavs fans
They showed an angle of the play on ESPN at halftime that was looking up from baseline that undoubtedly wa the one the league used when they made their suspension decision. It showed:
1) Terry came NOWHERE close to calling timeout before Manu got his hands on the ball.
2) Finley coming NOWHERE close to piling on Terry. I mean nowhere.
3) A clear and deliberate short, straight right with a closed fist to Finley's nuts by Terry.
So Mavs fans
1) You have a , cheap shot PG who throw nutshots
2) A got owner who lies about what happened and demeans the reputation of a player that laboured for your franchise for years.
3) A bunch of dumb ing Mav fans who allow themselves to be manipulated by their bag owner and now hate Finley and worship bag Cuban and bag Terry
Guess that makes for a lot of bag Mavs fans.
ok it...for crying out loud its clear that terry punched finley i dont get the whole fist thing....he ing punched him in the nuts
DAMN! this thread is already longer than the "LMAO Caption this Nash!" thread!
If the nuts get hit you cannot aquit!
do u mavs fans really like mark cuban???? ur not going to win a championship if hes the owner....after all the crap hes done to david stern why would stern want to reward him with a ring...hes already a billionaire...sterns basically sayin take ur money and get the out of my league...ur not winning a damn thing
Weren't all these whining Mavs fans complaining about whining Spurs fans a couple of days ago?
Who's whining? I'm ready to take this without Terry in the lineup. Dallas is still the better team in this series and will show it down a player. Marquis Daniels off the bench tomorrow night to give Dallas the series win.
Uh oh, Shank's on a roll.
The difference between Evans and Terry is Terry struck with a fist, which by rule requires a suspension, just like an intentional blow to the head in a non-basketball move. Evens wasn't a punch, and there's no real rule against grabbing someone's nuts (other than it obviously being a holding foul). So Evans was unprecedented, and I'm betting there's going to be an "Evan's Rule" soon, but Terry's was not.
He also doesn't seem to realize a lot of time "squaring off" is a chest to chest shouting match with not even a shove.
But Stu Jackson himself mentions punishments are subjective, so there's always going to be inconsistency.
Your "basketball 101" smack is clearly superior. How many times a day do you use that?
Have you figured out there is a low AND high post yet?
hahaha
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