it's Still A Crap Trade!!!
Hey...I paid the price for TMac, Webber and Martin....served me right.
It's done now...and the only thing being served now, is notice.
it's Still A Crap Trade!!!
They either get capspace or another Euro PG for Pop to make team ...
Bruno - Do the Rockets have to include the money in the trade up front or can they wait to see if the Spurs need to buy out Spanoulis? It kinda sounds like if the Spurs don't have to buy out Spanoulis, that the Rockets will be off the hook in terms of giving the Spurs money. I'm guessing this is covered somewhere in the CBA . . .
What better offers did they turn down for Scola anyway...link please?
By the way, for the record, I don't really care about this trade. The Spurs were never going to use Butler unless they got rid of another bigman and had a lot of patience because he's so young.
And for three years, I have always said that Scola would never be a Spur, so he has been irrelevant to me.
But I just think two things about the whole thing are funny.
1) Some people going crazy dramatizing the effect on the team (i.e. Duncan should just go elsewhere because of this, Holt needs to sell, RC needs to be fired)
2) Some people trying to justify it as a good trade basketball wise. It was a good money saving trade. That's it. Basketball wise, they gave away two bigs for a 2009 pick that they'll probably give away and a small shooting guard that hates America. It's a dumb trade basketball wise.
But in the end, I don't really care. The Spurs need to go out and find an athletic forward and a backup point guard. Deal Beno, Barry and whoever else they consider expendable and get ready for next year.
They turned down second round picks for him
Scola for a second round pick > Scola and Butler for a second round pick
They didn't get any cap space, they are still over the cap.
And to me it is now obvious that the entire purpose of the SummerLeague was to up Jackie Butler's trade value...
Jackie played about as well as he ever has...and he was damn good offensively...and the Spurs never had any intention of keeping him, and were planning on Mahinimi from the get go.
The Spurs already knew they didn't want Butler...and he showed enough to make them reconsider moving him and hold off on Ian, if they were in the slightest bit inclined to do so.
I like Jackie...but I am telling you, that taking plays off crap he does sets a bad example for every other guy on the team.
Actually, I'd happily settle for nothing.
I don't know.
If you are really interested, you could ask it to the CBA forum of the realgm boards : http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewfor...97377a9ca9485e
They have a lot of real CBA expert including Larry Coon.
Link? I heard those deals fell apart...
Surely you realize how ridiculous you sound acting like the Spurs turned down better deals to make the Rockets better?
I mean listening to you guys we probably turned down Oden for Butler.
It was reported weeks ago that the Spurs turned down 2nd round pick for Scola because they thought they could get more for him.
IF Spatula wants out that's less they have to pay.
And if he doesn't then they can move Beno.
And I do think Beno is movable....
Lots of things are reported...but why aren't those deals still available?
I mean if Scola is such a steal.....
If this trade was as bad as you guys are spinning it, they could have done it with any team.
Do you not read the Express-News? Before the draft they said multiple teams were offering second round picks but the Spurs wanted more.
Now that we are down to the last business day before Scola's deadline to buyout his contract, the Spurs panic and add Butler to get the second round pick they were offered a month ago.
I see...so Scola is this incredible deal....and the Spurs got raped...which is why no one else would take him(and Butler) for a second round pick...
Got it...
Makes all the sense in the world.
What's so funny is everyone assumes it's up to Scola....and the Spurs were nice enough to let Houston talk with Scola...
Did the Rockets also talk to Tau?
Cuz you know...they had a lot to do with all of this.
I don't think they talked to Tau. They weren't allowed to do any official negotiating until after the trade is complete.
Right...and that's why Scola wasn't that easy to trade...
Because potentially you could look like an idiot for giving anything up for him...
Unless of course, you were giving up a player who said he was never going to play for you again. Then you've got nothing to lose.
The funny thing is...Tau, Scola and his Agent...they essentially have the Rockets by the balls now....
If Scola doesn't come...the Rockets look stupid. This looks like a horrible trade. They almost have to over-pay....for a guy that is going to be at best an average scorer with weak rebounding and defense...who incicdentally...can't win the big one.
I hope Butler plays against us....
5 on 4 advantage for the Spurs when the Rockets are on offense...and Elson might score 20 points per game just on FT. Or at least 12.
The only way this doesn't look like a one-sided panic trade by the Spurs is if either Scola's buyout proves to be more than the Rockets believe. Or if the trade for some reason makes the Spurs go out and sign a Posey, Barnes or Udoka.
Did Elson even score 20 points in the entire playoff run combined? What are you smoking?
I'd really like him. Didn't he work out for the Spurs earlier? But R.C. (yeah, him again) didn't think enough of Barnes to offer him an attractive salary?
And so Barnes made up some face-saving excuse that he really just wanted to stay in NorCal?
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