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    Thank you for your response. In real time, I didn't notice the travel at first either and the goaltending call was so close that it could have gone either way....unfortunately for my team it went the wrong way but that one I could understand.

    But missing the ball hitting the rim or Manu's foot being on the line is fishy. It just seems three refs should be able to see things that obvious.

    Considering the Lakers never trailed in the game, I think it is a bit hard for the Spurs fans to feel too outraged about it, it isn't like the game was back and forth with a lot of lead changes or anything.....have a good evening.
    I Tivoed the game as I was trying to get my kids to sleep. I am glad I didn't see that ending live (too frustrating). This is probably the weakest Spurs team in seven years and they are still in the NBA final four. I am proud of their effort regardless of the eventual outcome of this series.

    You have to be lucky and good to go all the way. The luck part is not working out this year with maybe our most effective player not being healthy enough to play like he did all year long (Ginobili).

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    Explain to me why the NBA would be rigged against the Lakers. I seriously want to hear this explanation.
    I think the league tries to manufacture drama (and in the process raise TV ratings) to appeal to the casual fan who isn't a nut like all of us are as far as living and breathing the NBA.

    Best way to do that is to try and stretch out series to have "dramatic" endings like a Game 7 for all the marbles and the like.

    But I am guessing. I don't work for the NBA, if I did I can assure you I would make every effort to effect change where it is so obviously needed (i.e. the officiating and a more consistent application of the rules to all players and teams) and I think drama would create itself naturally instead of being forced.

    Do you really think it was an accident or just chance of fate that a guy like Joey Crawford was assigned to tonight's game? Honestly?

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    Do you really think it was an accident or just chance of fate that a guy like Joey Crawford was assigned to tonight's game? Honestly?
    I think it was sheer stupidity.

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    I think the league tries to manufacture drama (and in the process raise TV ratings) to appeal to the casual fan who isn't a nut like all of us are as far as living and breathing the NBA.

    Best way to do that is to try and stretch out series to have "dramatic" endings like a Game 7 for all the marbles and the like.

    But I am guessing. I don't work for the NBA, if I did I can assure you I would make every effort to effect change where it is so obviously needed (i.e. the officiating and a more consistent application of the rules to all players and teams) and I think drama would create itself naturally instead of being forced.

    Do you really think it was an accident or just chance of fate that a guy like Joey Crawford was assigned to tonight's game? Honestly?

    But if they don't make any more money, as you previously posted why would they do that?

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    I think the league tries to manufacture drama (and in the process raise TV ratings) to appeal to the casual fan who isn't a nut like all of us are as far as living and breathing the NBA.

    Best way to do that is to try and stretch out series to have "dramatic" endings like a Game 7 for all the marbles and the like.

    But I am guessing. I don't work for the NBA, if I did I can assure you I would make every effort to effect change where it is so obviously needed (i.e. the officiating and a more consistent application of the rules to all players and teams) and I think drama would create itself naturally instead of being forced.

    Do you really think it was an accident or just chance of fate that a guy like Joey Crawford was assigned to tonight's game? Honestly?


    That ^^^^^^ is a huge crock of and Lanny is totally singing a different tune now that he smells a Laker win...he legitimately used to say it was because Stern wanted a small market team to win..he used to spew that load of on LG non-stop. He is definitely full of and has definitely changed his story. IOW, he's a bag.

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    Do you really think it was an accident or just chance of fate that a guy like Joey Crawford was assigned to tonight's game? Honestly?
    Yes. The refs are on a rotation. We have posters in this forum who have cracked the pattern of the rotation. Before the series started, we knew Game 4 was likely Joey.

    There was nothing sinister about it. It was just part of the rotation. It wasn't like when the rotation was started at the beginning of the playoffs that Stern said: "okay, the Lakers will be up 2-1 in the second round against the Spurs, let's make sure that San Antonio's favorite ref is reffing that game to make sure this series goes 7".

    That doesn't make sense for countless reasons. You think the NBA handpicked Joey for this particular game to rig the game in favor of the Spurs? Is that your argument?

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    i dont care what happened before or what calls were made or not made or missed or whatever

    THAT LAST PLAY WAS A FOUL ---- A FOUL. PERIOD

    you call that 1 minute into the game or 47 minutes into the game. It should not matter.

    YOU ARE A REF with NO AGENDA, NEUTRAL, there for the sake of the teams, players and fans who paid to see a basketball game, not you.

    You call fouls because it was a foul NOT BECAUSE you DON'T want to bail someone out, thats nowhere in the rule book .

    IT DOESN'T MATTER, shouldn't matter.

    You are there to call a match neutral with no stake in the outcome. Either way, road or home.

    TNT says, "the shooter didnt sell it" and "they don't call those at the end of the game"

    A shooter needs to "act and sell it" in order to get a foul called? But then now, you try to "sell it" and they penalize you for flopping...

    Why not just whisper into the players ear like the WWE refs do when they need to pass instructions?



    This is sad that all playoff games have some sort of REF drama and presence. Since 2000 when the Lakers came into the national scene with the Shaq and Kobe team.


    Too many times we worry who the next refs will be, that shouldn't be the case, EVER.


    This is about the game and about the players, not about the Refs.

    A FOUL IS A FOUL and that was corrupt and personal by Crawford.

    Sasha got a touch foul 3 pointer and 1, while this play by Barry is not a foul?

    If the same play was made at Minute 25, it would of been called a foul, why not in the end? The rulebook gives no time limits on certain fouls.

    Gimmie a Break.

    Kobe would of gotten that call, I BET ANYTHING HE WOULD been given that foul.

    Combine all this with the other game where the Celtics got close to 40 FT and still lost to Detroit.

    The fix is in this year more than ever.

    A year with dropped ad revenue, attendance and ratings.

    BOSTON vs. LAKERS = huge interest from all markets.


    Oh how I wish these were MLB umpires instead of NBA refs.


    In baseball, betting on the game or throwing a game is serious and lifetime ban, no bull or playing around.

    In the NBA, its business as usual.


    The NBA needs international refs , something to clean the game from these biased and agenda driven marketing arms of David Stern.

    The NBA needs a committee that is set up independently from the league to monitor questionable games, where there is no fear of retaliation from Stern.

    When boxing was being accused of throwing fights, the government steps in, when Horse Racing was being questioned, an independent panel was brought in, when MLB was questioned back in the day, harsh punishment came down from the commissioner in order to protect the intregity of the game.

    The NBA thought it cleaned up its allegations with an open and close investigation of the Tim Donahue scandal but the bad apples are still lingering from the tree while Stern continues to water it.

    You make a lot of great points.

    We are actually more in agreement than apart on many of the more global issues regarding how the NBA administers their league and presents their product.

    I would also like to see some major changes. How about a guy like Larry Bird for Commissioner? Get rid of Stern. Bust the refs union, fire them all and bring in the best college/international refs. Have a strict rule that no ref can officiate more than 10 years in the league. Review the refs much more strictly, subject them to annual financial analysis by qualified investigators to make sure nothing funny is going on money wise.

    Have a zero tolerance policy for any gambling or unethical behavior by the refs and if it happens, fire them right away and bring in the next one.

    Get rid of the flop, make it a rule that if a ref thinks a guy has flopped, it is an automatic three shot penalty for the other team and a technical on that palyer. The second one in game is automatic ejection and suspension for the next game.

    Assign all officials randomly to all games with a system the public can view more transparently.

    These are some of the changes I would like to see made.

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    Just because Stern didn't pick Joey doesn't mean this game wasn't in the bag...

    It's a fact that Joey Crawford has a vendetta and bias against Tim Duncan.

    Fact. He's been suspended for it. Stern doesn't have to be corrupt for Crawford to have screwed over the Spurs. All it takes is for Crawford to be....and he is someone that will hold a grudge, you can see it all over his face. He's a tough guy.

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    Yeah such a vendetta that Duncan only went for 29 and 17 tonight. What a conspiracy against poor Timmy and his pathetic puppy dog pouty face.

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    Yes. The refs are on a rotation. We have posters in this forum who have cracked the pattern of the rotation. Before the series started, we knew Game 4 was likely Joey.

    There was nothing sinister about it. It was just part of the rotation. It wasn't like when the rotation was started at the beginning of the playoffs that Stern said: "okay, the Lakers will be up 2-1 in the second round against the Spurs, let's make sure that San Antonio's favorite ref is reffing that game to make sure this series goes 7".

    That doesn't make sense for countless reasons. You think the NBA handpicked Joey for this particular game to rig the game in favor of the Spurs? Is that your argument?

    I think the NBA uses a circle of corrupt officials (Joey Crawford, Bennett Salvatore, Steve Javie, Bob Delaney, Ken Mauer, Bernie Fryer, Jack Nies) to try and manipulate or control certain games. It isn't every game, it isn't all the time but at one point in tonights game the FT attempts were 26 to 10 in favor of SA. In a game the Lakers were clearly the aggressors in.

    Does that seem right to you?

    The officials should be randomly assigned in a transparent method to alleviate any thought that a certain guy will be sent here or there. Certainly the supposed refs who are not "qualified" to work playoff games are no worse than the ones that are.

    Friggen Tim Donaghy was fixing games and still getting playoff assignments from the league, so whatever evaluation system they have is in dire need of an overhaul because it ain't working.

    I have said it before, I will take a bad official like Violet Palmer over a corrupt official like Bob Delany any time. Why? Because Violet blows lots and lots of calls, but she blows them both ways. Delaney goes entire halves only calling things on one team or another, it is past ridiculous.

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    Yeah such a vendetta that Duncan only went for 29 and 17 tonight.
    Tim Duncan goes 29 and 17 all the time...that's got nothing to do with Crawford.

    What a conspiracy against poor Timmy and his pathetic puppy dog pouty face.

    Puppy dogs > Rapists

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    Maybe Kobe will find the real rapist one of these days.

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    You make a lot of great points.

    We are actually more in agreement than apart on many of the more global issues regarding how the NBA administers their league and presents their product.

    I would also like to see some major changes. How about a guy like Larry Bird for Commissioner? Get rid of Stern. Bust the refs union, fire them all and bring in the best college/international refs. Have a strict rule that no ref can officiate more than 10 years in the league. Review the refs much more strictly, subject them to annual financial analysis by qualified investigators to make sure nothing funny is going on money wise.

    Have a zero tolerance policy for any gambling or unethical behavior by the refs and if it happens, fire them right away and bring in the next one.

    Get rid of the flop, make it a rule that if a ref thinks a guy has flopped, it is an automatic three shot penalty for the other team and a technical on that palyer. The second one in game is automatic ejection and suspension for the next game.

    Assign all officials randomly to all games with a system the public can view more transparently.

    These are some of the changes I would like to see made.
    What the ? This kind of talk about FT's and technicals for people flopping? This is just silly and makes no sense. Besides under this persons rules Horry and Bowen would've been ejected in this game.

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    Maybe Kobe will find the real rapist one of these days.
    Anything's possible, just like you hitting puberty one day and realizing what your special purpose is.

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    But if they don't make any more money, as you previously posted why would they do that?

    I would be guessing.

    Possible reasons could include making TNT, ESPN, ABC happy by getting high ratings for series that have "dramatic" overtones....for example Game 6s and Game 7s

    Another possible reason is to pad the pockets of the owners by getting them additional playoff games that they make money on with all the ancillary items that go along with a NBA game. The Lakers store at Staples Center had a 150 person line of people waiting to s out money after Game 1, it was nuts (I know because my kid rung me up for $60 worth of stuff)

    So there are lots of potential reasons, I have also noticed that a series can be badly rigged by the refs in Games 1-6, yet strangely have a consistent officiating effort in Game 7 where the players actually decide it.

    This shows me that the NBA does have officials capable of officiating a decent game if and when they put their mind to it. But tonight was a debacle in that regard pretty much from start to finish.

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    Tim Duncan goes 29 and 17 all the time...that's got nothing to do with Crawford.
    Last I checked he didn't averge 29 and 17, so he hardly does it all the time. But feel free to use your lame hyperbole to make a non-existent point.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDc31xBkBg0

    Catches ball, plants feet, lifts left foot, lifts right foot, dribbles.

    He traveled.

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    Hah, he did travel, this made me chuckle. By the way...

    Joe Dodger, Dodgerblues.com is so much better than LG... there needs to be a Lakers version of it.

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    Oh please Mr. Hypocrite (aka Harry Calahan or I am so gay I still worship Dirty Harry), I've read your verbal diarrhea since got here. Don't give me this holier than thou bull .
    You generalize about our site saying 90% of it is complaining and moaning. Then you rip me for saying 80% of the stuff from Laker fans is a bunch of posing junk (I not used to all this chest pounding from Laker nation after four long years of silence). My percentage by be too high, but a lot it is garbage and not very well thought out.

    The Lakers will probably win this series now. Be happy with that. On balance they've played better.

    But you come in here dropping Fbombs and Sbombs like a lunatic. You are obsessed with f'words and poo from the the look of your posts. You come off looking pretty stupid. Have you been drinking? If you have, get some help.

    Why are you ripping on my Avatar? It's cool. Nothing wrong with Dirty Harry. He eliminates punks and there's still a lot of punks out there (based on the posts I've seen in here lately).

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    How ironic it is that the play determining the Spurs 07-08 season in all likelihood is determined by Joey Crawford looking on as Derek Fisher fouls Barry?
    Wow!!! Sounds like you have quit on your team. Good fan!

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    did you miss the 764 post thread with the same or are you just ing stupid?

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    http://www.sports-tube.com/view_vide...c28b26ca3a13cb

    If thats not a foul, I don't know what is

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    Anything's possible, just like you hitting puberty one day and realizing what your special purpose is.
    Yeah, if only I could be a troll. Run along now kiddo.

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    That 764-post thread was about Fisher's non-foul.

    This thread is about Barry's crappy dribbling skillz.

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    Yeah, if only I could be a troll. Run along now kiddo.
    You're not clever enough to be one. Nor are you funny. So that's two strikes right there.

    But you are obtuse.

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