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trade oberto for Ronald "Flip" Murray
I disagree -- backup PG is the least of the Spurs' glaring needs. Come crunch time, the Spurs can go with Manu (or even Barry) at PG. Backup PG will be no more a liability this year than in '05 when they won it all.
The Spurs need more quickness and defensive ability in their swingmen. And especially more rebounding ability. That's what has killed them and will continue to kill them (assuming they have/can upgrade their bigs).
What about this James White guy?
trade oberto for Ronald "Flip" Murray
better yet, add barry to the equation so i dont have to see his stupid HEB commercial anymore
The Pistons want a PG and are trying to get rid of their excess bigs...I doubt they'd take Oberto.
The better Finley plays, I think the better chance Barry has to be dealt. He played well and was aggressive tonight against the Nets. A confident Finley is better than a timid one.
Barry + whatever for Maggette
A good thing is that the Ely trade makes another big "tradable". I think some teams might be interested in Oberto or Elson... Golden State might be looking for a big, so is New Jersey...we'll see what happens.
good point.
I mentioned in the other thread, that now the FO no longer has to focus on a trade, that gets them under the threshold. this homework has been done.
NJ is desperate for frontcourt help and they still fight for a PO spot, so the will do a trade at deadline.
but there are two questions: do they think, that a trade for one of the Spurs bigs improves them enough to turn around? (very likely not)
second: who do we want? there is a player who would be perfect for the Spurs (maybe still to young, but for the future) and that is Antoine Wright. but I don't think the Nets would give up on him for one of the Spurs crappy bigs. that leaves us with one possibility: Bostjan Nachbar.
he might be to have for maybe Oberto+2nd rounder.
but is this what we think, when talking about help at SF?
and GSW. yes, I can also see them looking for a big. Nelson for sure isn't interested in Oberto. maybe Elson? other than the Nets, the Warriors would have a lot of players the Spurs could use.
(Barnes! Pietrus, Jasikevicious)
Pietrus for Elson + pick? I'll keep dreaming....
Well, I doubt they would do Pietrus for Elson + pick. I think a Oberto for Barnes trade is not too far fetched. For Pietrus I guess you would have to take a bigger contract in return to make it interesting for GS.
In New Jersey I see Nachbar as a target. He is 6,9, has a good 3pt shoot and his rebounding numbers in january are okay for a wing (3.9 reb/game).
I would welcome trades like:
Oberto or Elson for Barnes
Oberto or Elson for Nachbar
Of course there are better players out there but since this thread is about "reasonable" trade ideas. I think the Spurs would have a chance to land these players...
Can San Antonio use Najera or Childress ? If so, what can the spurs offer ?
I doubt either player makes enough of an impact to the current roster that they garner a spot in the rotation and/or minutes away from guys like Finley, etc. Because I think it's unlikely they get minutes, it would be easier to pick up a guy like Barnes (fill the "long 3/small ball 4" role) in free agency this off-season.
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As discussed in another thread, Childress (or any Hawk for that matter) is likely untouchable with an ongoing ownership battle between the current guys and the one guy who got the outser after he disagreed with the Joe Johnson acquisition.
Najera is a more likely scenario because he fits that "long 3/small ball 4" profile, but he makes a good bit of cheese and the Spurs would probably have trouble finding players to match salaries. I'm also not sure how much longer his contract goes on for, but the Spurs FO is hesitant to take on contracts longer than 2 years (ref: 08 plan)
i think Najera is also very unlikely, because it still can happen, that the Nuggets meet the Spurs in the first round.
and they know very well what the lacks of the current Spurs are and they won't help them to improve in those areas. (like Najera would regarding rebounding and defense).
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this might also be the case, when thinking about trades with Clippers or GSW.
Spurs might only be able to work out a trade with a WC team, that is out of the PO race. (like Grizzlies, Sonics or Blazers)
the EC teams will be more willing to trade with the Spurs. still hope for a Bulls trade, something like Butler for Khryapa+Barret (for the numbers) for example.
Last edited by mountainballer; 02-14-2007 at 01:00 PM.
Chris Duhon would definitly be an ideal backup PG(they are shopping him) & if the Bulls would be willing to trade Khrypa too, we could most of our problems with one trade where the players are not making a huge amount. Barry for Duhon, Khrypa & Andriuskevicius works in the trade checker. Spurs would have to throw in picks & cash, but this is a trade I would like to see go down. Butler & Bonner for Duhon & Khrypa also works.
You think these are "reasonable trade ideas?"
Bulls wouldn't inculde Dunon in a package with PJ Brown for GASOL.
Keep moving. Nothing to see here...
They dont need to include Duhon in a package for Gasol..it would be Brown, Gordon or Deng, & the NY pick or instead of the pick it would be Thomas...Memphis does not need Duhon. Duhon has not even been mentioned in the Gasol trade, so I am not sure where you are getting this from. Duhon has become the 3rd PG for the Bulls & isn't even playing all that much. Khrypa isn't even playing at all. You make it sound like Duhon & Khrypa are superstars, they are 10th & 11th men off the bench. I'm sure you also thought that EWill for Ely was not a possibility. These two are very likely trade canidates. You might also want to learn how to spell his name.
Check it - http://chicagosports.chicagotribune....ulls-headlines
Paxson unwilling to part with Duhon and/or Gordon because it "might disrupt team chemistry." Although Deng and Gordon have been the guys in question for the Gasol trade, here's what Paxson had to say yesterday - (here's part of the article in question from yesterday's Chicago Tribune):
"The reason it would be difficult [to trade any of the young core]—and I like all our guys but realize you can't get attached to them—is they've been a part of helping change our culture," Paxson said. "The reason we've been in the playoffs two years in a row is because we were able to change the mind-set of work and accountability.
"I worry about chemistry. I worry about if I'm taking out a player or players that have helped get us to this point, am I messing too much with just the little intangible things that are very important to a team? I'm not saying we're in position [to win a championship] yet. But I have a long-term view in mind as well."
Duhon is a special player, has great athleticism, and shooting skills. If he's the 10th man off the bench why is he averaging around 13, 6 asts, and 3 rebounds in the last 3 games? Check your facts - http://www.nba.com/playerfile/chris_duhon/
Forget it, Duhon not coming to SA to play backup while we given them Oberto and Udrih. Especially if Memphis can't even get to that youthful core in Chicago by dangling Gasol.
Now if we were trading Manu for Nocioni and Deng/Duhon then we might have a chance.
So you resort to altering what the article is saying? And I quote from the article you just linked..."Paxson remains reluctant to include Luol Deng or Ben Gordon in any deal for Gasol."
It does not say anything about Duhon or Khrypa. His playing time has picked up over the last few games, but about 2 weeks ago he was suspended for a game by the team & he is barely working his way out of the dog house. Duhon is far from untradeable, the Cavs are talking about swapping Drew Gooden for Duhon is articles published today. You want me to check my facts, but it might be a good idea for you not to alter stories to make your comments look correct.
Did you not read beyond the first sentence. Jeebus..."The reason it would be difficult [to trade any of the young core]—and I like all our guys but realize you can't get attached to them—is they've been a part of helping change our culture," Paxson said. "The reason we've been in the playoffs two years in a row is because we were able to change the mind-set of work and accountability."
Ultimately, Duhon will not be traded for pennies, Oberto, or Udrih because he's also Chicago's backup PG and part of the "young core" for Chicago that is looking very strong at the moment. If Hinrich goes down then what?? Duhon's would be a perfect fit and the Spurs would be lucky to have him. All I'm saying is, if you want him you'll have to start thinking packages as Chicago will not move him for cheap as a favor to SA. Yes, he is being included in talks for Gasol BUT AS A PACKAGE for GASOL. Chicago has great tradeable assets for any team as they have truly built themselves up from the draft since Jordan retired. Chicago wants something to put them over the top for a package of their young guys. In other words, we'd have to offer Manu for XXX+Duhon.
I'll pass as I think we can pick one up through trade or draft next year. I would rather see us trade Barry+Beno for a SF that could be their heir apparent to Bruce. I think Bruce may have two more good years in him if, and only if, he is not playing full games. We need him fresh for the playoffs. I'd like to see us address the SF weakness first.
I'm thinking we could probably get rid of beno and fabio, instead of the usual barry+beno trades yall always talk about. remember, barry can play backup point like he did his first year here,and he played starting point for seattle alot too. so we might not have to pick up another backup PG, and oberto and beno could be shipped out for a SF. i would rather have an elson/ely combo at C than oberto/elson.
Posted in other thread, but "reasonable" enough....
Udrih + Oberto to MEM for Atkins
New addition:
Udrih + Oberto to POR for Dixon (+ Outlaw?)
it would take butler instead of oberto i think but i like this trade a lot. Beside, i'd rather get daniel gibson from the cavs he could stay with us a little longer with more upside.
Last edited by silk; 02-16-2007 at 06:06 AM.
My dream 's trade :
Finley, Bonner and Udrih for Duhon, Kryahpa and Safolosha.
It works, on the trade chacker.
I know we have a promise with Finley, but Chicago is a very good team end his home.
Chicago could be intrigued to have him in their team, expecially come playoff time, and sacrifice some youth, that's what we desperately need, expecially in the guard position.
i can see the spurs doing the deal for atkins but they'd probably have to throw in a 2nd round pick for Memphis to bite. Spurs would love that deal though, atkins is in a contract year so he'd be off the books after this season saving the spurs over 4 million next year that they'd have to pay those 2 bums(beno,oberto) not to mention we'd get a decent back up PG in the deal.
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