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    I don't have a pastor. Pastors lie.

    And, no, it really doesn't matter because the stories point to spiritual truths that are more important and profound.

    Also, a parable, like Judas betraying Christ, CAN be literal. They don't HAVE to be, but they CAN be.
    How can a lie point to the truth?

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    The beating will begin.

    Exhibit A.
    That says nothing about the scriptures being veiled.

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    That says nothing about the scriptures being veiled.
    Oh, I am? Really, bag?




    Okay numb nuts. I will do the work for you in the hope you might see...


    9And when his disciples asked him what this parable meant, 10he said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God, but for others they are in parables, so that ‘seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.’ - Luke 8:9-10






    And from Matthew with more detail...




    10Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” 11And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12For to the one who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 13This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says:




    “‘You will indeed hear but never understand,
    and you will indeed see but never perceive.
    15 For this people’s heart has grown dull,
    and with their ears they can barely hear,
    and their eyes they have closed,
    lest they should see with their eyes
    and hear with their ears
    and understand with their heart
    and turn, and I would heal them.’




    16But blessed are your eyes, for they see, and your ears, for they hear. - Matthew 13:10-16

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    How can a lie point to the truth?
    Define lie.

    A metaphor is not a lie.

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    That says nothing about the scriptures being veiled.
    Epic fail.


    For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. 15Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. 16But when oned turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. - 2 Corinthians 3:14-15


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    I already have. Jer 8:8, us 1:9, 1 or 2 Tim 4.....etc. ad nauseum (going by memory here so I probably missed). Go back and read this thread. I am not re-typing the same sh-t over and over to be ignored.


    Read why Jesus spoke in parables in Mark and Matthew. Isaiah.
    Jer 8:8 doesn't state that the scripture was veiled. It states that it was corrupted. Those are two different things (ask any IT person the difference between a firewall and a virus). No need to address the rest since you start off with a non-sequitur.

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    That says nothing about the scriptures being veiled.
    "All this I have spoken to you in veiled language. The time is coming when I shall no longer speak to you in veiled language, but will tell you about the Father in plain words." - John 16:25

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    The beating will begin.

    Exhibit A.
    The 20 or so posts before that one were about mingus being high. You may have quoted that verse, which doesn't say what you claim, but you didn't make the argument. Now show me where you have made the argument before. Show me weehre you have made the argument with those other verses.

    Also

    10 For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the cir cision group. 11 They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach—and that for the sake of dishonest gain. 12 One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.”[c] 13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith 14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth. 15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. 16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.
    That is the context. Now where does it say that scripture is misleading.

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    Jer 8:8 doesn't state that the scripture was veiled. It states that it was corrupted. Those are two different things (ask any IT person the difference between a firewall and a virus). No need to address the rest since you start off with a non-sequitur.
    You think God doesn't have multiple ways to veil scripture? You don't think bad translations hide the meanings from the many?


    Once again, it is veiled. To you. Pretty flipping obvious to me, though.

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    The 20 or so posts before that one were about mingus being high. You may have quoted that verse, which doesn't say what you claim, but you didn't make the argument. Now show me where you have made the argument before. Show me weehre you have made the argument with those other verses.

    Also



    That is the context. Now where does it say that scripture is misleading.

    The context continues to this day. They don't see the truth because it is veiled and teach error. This passage is to be taken in context with all the rest.


    Veiled. Mystery. Parable. Few find the truth.

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    You think God doesn't have multiple ways to veil scripture? You don't think bad translations hide the meanings from the many?


    Once again, it is veiled. To you. Pretty flipping obvious to me, though.


    So you go from Jesus saying that what he had actually been saying at the time being veiled and twist that into this crap?

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    So you go from Jesus saying that what he had actually been saying at the time being veiled and twist that into this crap?

    You're a moron. Jesus tells us he veiled it for a purpose.

    Argue with Him.

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    It doesn't say *when* they are saved you twit. I already referenced that verse to refute eternal , so let's not act like you discovered something I didn't already know.




    "But the natural man does not receive/understand/perceive/accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him; and he cannot know....CANNOT KNOW.....cannot know...CANNOT KNOW them because they are spiritually discerned..." - 1 Cor 2:14






    Blake, you are overmatched. Give it up. The Good News is consistently referred to as a mystery. As veiled. Parables abound. Jesus Himself tells you it is veiled. Go argue with HIM and tell HIM how wrong He is and how right YOU are. I am sure He will get a good laugh.




    When Paul says WE and YOU it doesn't mean everyone--it only refers to those to whom it applies, as defined by scripture...


    "--(A)nd the scripture cannot be broken--" -John 10:35


    You, sir, are not one of the WE or YOU Paul speaks of. You're a THEY or THEM, a mocker. A fool.




    http://biblez.com/searchverse.php?q=Mystery




    A few of these don't directly apply but I am growing weary of wasting my time on imbeciles so I am not going to edit them out. I also am not endorsing the version listed. The NIV sucks and is usually the default on that site. I did not check. Disclaimers included, the point is made regardless.




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    Luke 8:10 He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of ...
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    To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches
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    Then you can search veiled.




    Then try hidden, concealed, secret, symbolic, etc..


    Parable. Veiled. Hidden. It lays it out there for you. What tiny little bit of knowledge YOU, Blake, THINK you have has been snatched away.


    Only a very very few find the truth in this life. To the rest it is hidden. Veiled. The good must contend against something. Someone has to oppress the elect if the elect are to be like their Teacher.


    This stuff is way over your head. Keep up with the arrogant rejection of the revelation you are being offered. You will then be assured to learn NOTHING.

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    Define lie.

    A metaphor is not a lie.
    When you said you were done with this thread, was that a lie or a metaphor?

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    The context continues to this day. They don't see the truth because it is veiled and teach error. This passage is to be taken in context with all the rest.


    Veiled. Mystery. Parable. Few find the truth.
    I read what it says. You add to what it says. 'veiled' 'mystery' 'parable' are not written there and if you think Paul would have bought your ad libbing I can only laugh at you. He is ting on people ad libbing in that verse.

    Nice to see your narcissism of being one of 'the few' is still there though.

    Peter was one the 'cir cision group' though.

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    Sheol. Hades. Gehenna. These are all translated incorrectly as . Burning forever in a cavern of flames when you die is pagan mythology that ignorant Christians believe without critical thought. Age is translated wrong also.


    “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. - Jer 8:8 (Idiot bible translators are the scribes. The same ones who turned premarital sex/fornication/porneia into sexual immorality/marital unfaithfulness.)




    It is a great scam to divert you from the truth and scare you into hing to get dead relatives out of purgatory and other such nonsense.


    These things are way to deep for a child like you. You can't get judgment, discipline, or marriage right. I can't possibly explain to you all the scripture about " ".


    That said, if you are so afraid of then you should get your act together and start obeying the commands of Christ and condemn evil like divorce.

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    You're a moron. Jesus tells us he veiled it for a purpose.

    Argue with Him.
    he said 'what I have said' and not your 'it.' you don't get to speak for jesus, narcissist.

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    You think God doesn't have multiple ways to veil scripture? You don't think bad translations hide the meanings from the many?
    Perhaps you should confront your experts on their exegesis of the scripture.
    Once again, it is veiled. To you. Pretty flipping obvious to me, though.
    The bible doesn't mention it, though.

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    Nice to see your narcissism of being one of 'the few' is still there though.
    I guess we'll never know the reward of being one of the few.

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    I read what it says. You add to what it says. 'veiled' 'mystery' 'parable' are not written there and if you think Paul would have bought your ad libbing I can only laugh at you. He is ting on people ad libbing in that verse.

    Nice to see your narcissism of being one of 'the few' is still there though.

    Peter was one the 'cir cision group' though.
    No scripture is of its OWN interpretation.



    Veiled, mystery, and parable are throughout scripture, your carnal, insipid, beast.

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    Well at least we know that if he has indeed made a claim before he will go back and find them. So when you ask him to prove it and he doesn't then you can know he is full of .

    like I said, if he think he gets one up on you he will try and thump his chest about it ad nauseum. He is mentally ill though and I am toying with him again. I should stop.

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    This makes sense to my mind as I have always spoken about "seeing" something and how most humans cannot "see" due to their programming/conditioning/prejudices/likes/dislikes/fears/desires/beliefs


    yes...

    Truth/god/love/reality...


    Is "veiled" to most people and only a few will ever "see"

    Pretty self evident.


    Truth is truth wherever it appears from.

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    Perhaps you should confront your experts on their exegesis of the scripture.

    The bible doesn't mention it, though.
    Are you stupid?

    2 Cor 4:3 - If our gospel is veiled it is veiled to those who are perishing.


    And I already explained and quoted the veil being removed only in Christ. And being in Christ is not what tradition teaches.

    Mark 7:8 - "Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”



    You guys should pick a different debate topic because you are woefully inept regarding scripture.

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    This makes sense to my mind as I have always spoken about "seeing" something and how most humans cannot "see" due to their programming/conditioning/prejudices/likes/dislikes/fears/desires/beliefs


    yes...

    Truth/god/love/reality...


    Is "veiled" to most people and only a few will ever "see"

    Pretty self evident.


    Truth is truth wherever it appears from.
    None of that garbage is truth.

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    Well at least we know that if he has indeed made a claim before he will go back and find them. So when you ask him to prove it and he doesn't then you can know he is full of .

    like I said, if he think he gets one up on you he will try and thump his chest about it ad nauseum. He is mentally ill though and I am toying with him again. I should stop.

    You are a petulant child.

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