Jimmer is one of the few players in the league that offenses immediately attack when on the floor. I know Manu's eyes certainly lit up. We have a good defense but I doubt we can protect him if he did play.
That could depend on injuries; but my expectation isn't for Jimmer to see regular minutes in a healthy rotation that already features Parker, Ginobili, Green, Mills among others.... But it will be fun when there are injuries and we maybe have those nights where we get to see Jimmer play some extended minutes. It's those minutes that will likely define Jimmer's future prospects with the organization / NBA.
Jimmer is one of the few players in the league that offenses immediately attack when on the floor. I know Manu's eyes certainly lit up. We have a good defense but I doubt we can protect him if he did play.
People talking about Jimmer's defense.
I'll concede that it's bottom of the league quality. He has made some improvements in his one on one defense in his time in the league. He still needs to improve on pick n' roll angles and closeout angles. At this point, the argument could be made that he's better of a defender than Parker (who is a terrible defender). I think Jimmer's defense will improve in the Spurs system, which does a better job of accounting for opposing offensive systems. When teams go at Jimmer, Pop has his ways of mitigating such things.
Most PGs in this league don't have the green light (or stamina necessarily) to sustain attack after attack. Teams can take advantage on the first possession or two that Jimmer is in a game. But it's over-stated what they can do over a stretch. Also, the Spurs can use that to their advantage. If other teams don't want to move the ball, then Jimmer's teammates can get a bit of a breather and be better on offense and in help defense.
How do you know he's made improvements defensively?
I'm sorry but I don't see any argument in which Jimmer's defense can be construed as better than Parkers. Parker is not a good defender but he is miles ahead of Jimmer.
I thought the last you heard was that Tebow last stop in the NFL was with the Patriots.
I've followed Jimmer. I was surprised at how bad his individual defense was in rookie year. There is a poster on YT: Misael V. who posts vids of Jimmer (Pelicans) last year; and he'll show the defensive possessions. Jimmer does a vastly improved job of moving his feet and keeping offensive players in front of him.
As for Parker; he's always had defensive deficiencies. I think his ability to punish PGs offensively last year made his defensive shortcomings more glaring. Parker was arguably the worst defender in the league last year. He is not "miles ahead of Jimmer."
Jimmer's per 36 3pa and his 3p% isn't bad imo (last year was bad though). In fact his 3pa is higher than what Re had in his Orlando days and only about 1 less than D. Green and Re currently. I think the threat of him not getting his shot off because of his shot mechanics is being greatly exaggerated.
I'm mostly concerned about his ability to defend.
Something else to consider about Fredette odds at making the roster is the financial aspect. Because Spurs are above the tax, it will cost them quite a lot of money to keep him (between $2M and $2.4M depending on his likely guaranteed amount).
In a scenario where Fredette is doing fine (but nothing great) and is better than the other candidates for the 15th roster spot, it might still be cut if at the same time Simmons, Anderson, McCallum are also doing fine. It could take both Fredette doing fine and Spurs needing him because some other players are sucking for him to get that roster spot.
In four years, the Spurs coaching staff couldn't turn CoJo into a PG. I'm not sure how much luck they'll have transforming Jimmer, who has more holes in his game than a slice of Swiss cheese into a competent NBA player in a month's time. As for his defense, Tony Parker has been one of the worst defenders in the NBA the last two seasons but, but, but, the Spurs system. What did the Spurs system do for Belinelli's defense? Or Bonner's defense? Or Ayers defense? Or Michael Finley's defense back in the day? Let's stop putting lipstick on pigs and move on. There isn't a system in the world that would make Jimmer look even the least bit proficient on defense. Who on the current roster would he be stealing minutes from? He's currently the 5th best SG and/or PG on the team depending on where you slot Manu/Mills. If the NBA was set up like the NFL, he'd be relegated to practice squad. Think of it this way, if he makes the final roster cuts, something went horribly wrong in training camp.
...glad to see you backpedaling on some of what I seem to remember as trying to sell him as being able to run the point...again, I wish him luck.
I didn't say you were hoping he did get cut. I said IF you had hope. Which it still sounds as if you do. Despite your protest otherwise: for example, if Williams doesn't get cut, who is next on your wish list?! Ray is not trying out for the team. He is on the team. He won't be getting cut for quite some time into the season, if at all (if he plays REALLY poorly, but even then I can't imagine them cutting him), and only if something much better came available. Or, a trade, maybe.
Jimmer might not be on the team on November, 1. They're just in two different categories.
There is no equating them at this point.
Yeah. I also think he has an outside chance of dazzling the coaches with offense so much they feel like they have to take a shot at giving him the roster spot despite his defense. Same thing with Eddie. His shot is so nice they may feel compelled to give him a shot.
And, he's comparing a young Jimmer at almost peak athleticism to Parker's defense the last two years when he's been banged up more than usual, and older. Comparing him to Parker's defense overall, Jimmer is not a better defender. It is not Parker's strength, but it's not as bad as some make it out to be. Tiago's defense this year wasn't very good either. He was injured. I wouldn't let that tarnish his defensive reputation as a whole.
Guess what. Parker is going to be older next year than this past year.
I'm hard on the guy but he can still score on most guards and has a pretty good pick and roll in the few games against us
How does that make Jimmer's defense better. He's saying it's better than fat, old, injured Parker's defense. Not a good sales technique. "Hey, you want to buy a kick in the nuts? It's better than a stick in the eye!"
So keeping Fredette will cost $2.37M to Spurs.
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Maybe we could use Jimmer at the free throw line to close out games. You can't trust TP, Manu, Kawhi, or TD to hit them. I'm assuming he is a great free throw shooter...
He made 43 of 45 last year
I agree, it appears a 14th spot gets vacated before Fredette can get signed. The folks likely to vacate the spot may be Bonner (if he choses to retire early or his contract just happens to be unguaranteed) or Anderson (if Spurs realize he doesn't have a future). Everyone else is either a key player or gets paid too little to make it worthwhile to waive.
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At this rate, we could see a pretty solid meltdown when he gets cut...probably Pops Mensa-Bonsu level or better.
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