NBA Trade Deadline 2023

[baseline bum]

If I were BKY, I would immediately call HOU and offer up Bridges for 2-3 of our picks back. HOU gets someone with actual game, who plays defense and fits their core but still gets a few extra picks

If I was Houston I'd laugh and hang up. That 2024 pick is going to be gold when Brooklyn is already capped out for the 2023-24 season plus they'll need to throw a long term contract at Cameron Johnson this summer too. Ain't gonna win much when Mikal Bridges is the best player on your team and those Phoenix picks aren't going to be good for until CP0 and Durant break down in a couple of years. They're going to be battling our Spurs for lotto balls next year.

[baseline bum]

Btw with more info on the LAL-Utah-Minny deal, it sure seems like Utah got the short end of it - they're trading 3 rotation players and 3 seconds for a top 4 protected first, which turns into 2nds immediately. I would have imagined them getting more value for their players on separate deals, but I guess that 2027 Lakers pick was that important for Ainge.

I like it for Minnesota. They need a steady hand and a locker room leader. They were going nowhere with DLo and it's not like they could have just let him expire and replaced with someone good in the summer. Conley will make them a better team.

Wow WTF Ainge is a re , Lakers are going to be dog in '26-'27 so good chance he loses that first.

[mo7888]

For what? His value is absolute . His production is absolute . His confidence is absolute .

No thank you. Unless they want to send us multiple FRPs too. Let the idiots of the world pay for their idiocy of signing these guys to these horrible contracts.

I'd take him on for that 2025 or 2027 unprotected 1st from Phoenix..

[CGD]

Holy cow, I wake up and KD has been traded! Wow. Oh and Jakob too.

[poopbox]

We have so many 2nd rounders now as to be utterly ing useless.

They are actually quite useful. Offering multiple second rounders is how teams get back into the last 1st round to get a player they want.

Those 2nd rounders can get us back into the 1st to draft somebody the spurs like 26 through 30 in the future.

They are also what puts trades over the top. I am sure that Kyrie trade doesn't go down without those second rounders from Dallas.

Second rounders got the Lakers Rui as well.

[DPG21920]

If I was Houston I'd laugh and hang up. That 2024 pick is going to be gold when Brooklyn is already capped out for the 2023-24 season plus they'll need to throw a long term contract at Cameron Johnson this summer too. Ain't gonna win much when Mikal Bridges is the best player on your team and those Phoenix picks aren't going to be good for until CP0 and Durant break down in a couple of years. They're going to be battling our Spurs for lotto balls next year.

They are not a bottom out team. I dont think it’s gold. You keep a few of the BKY picks but actually improve your team.

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They are actually quite useful. Offering multiple second rounders is how teams get back into the last 1st round to get a player they want.

Those 1st rounders can get us back into the 1st to draft somebody the spurs like 26 through 30 in the future.

They are also what puts trades over the top. I am sure that Kyrie trade doesn't get down without those second rounders from Dallas.

Second rounders got the Lakers Rui as well.

And got a half season rental out of it. Lakers already owe 98M to four players (93M of which is to Bron and Brow) in '24 and 100M to two players in '25.

Yes putting trades over the top comes with context too. So basically they're already done after 27 more games unless the re-sign him for well above what Rui is making now (6.7M).

Same with Poeltl. We get a protected first and a couple second rounders to add to our multiple other 2nd rounders.

Ultimately 2nd round picks are only as valuable as what players are available when they are picked. And as I posted above there's roughly as equal chance of drafting a 3 yr player as one that never makes it to an NBA roster. Not great utility by any means.

[Ariel]

They are actually quite useful. Offering multiple second rounders is how teams get back into the last 1st round to get a player they want.

Those 1st rounders can get us back into the 1st to draft somebody the spurs like 26 through 30 in the future.

They are also what puts trades over the top. I am sure that Kyrie trade doesn't get down without those second rounders from Dallas.

Second rounders got the Lakers Rui as well.

This is a good point. I don't like 2nd rounders unless they're fairly high (below 35 or 40, depending on the year), they're almost always worthless and can be had for money. But, they can be used as lubricant for other deals. It's just that at some point you have to start SENDING THEM OUT, instead of TAKING THEM ALL IN. But if we use them to jump into the later first round in '23, something to that effect, then they'll be worth it.

[RC_Drunkford]

And got a half season rental out of it. Lakers already owe 98M to four players (93M of which is to Bron and Brow) in '24 and 100M to two players in '25.

Yes putting trades over the top comes with context too. So basically they're already done after 27 more games unless the re-sign him for well above what Rui is making now (6.7M).

Same with Poeltl. We get a protected first and a couple second rounders to add to our multiple other 2nd rounders.

Ultimately 2nd round picks are only as valuable as what players are available when they are picked. And as I posted above there's roughly as equal chance of drafting a 3 yr player as one that never makes it to an NBA roster. Not great utility by any means.

we don't use 2nd round picks to draft players. We use them to flip them into late firsts by moving up. Spurs could move a 2nd with J-Rich and turn that into another first in this years draft

[Sugus]

And got a half season rental out of it. Lakers already owe 98M to four players (93M of which is to Bron and Brow) in '24 and 100M to two players in '25.

Yes putting trades over the top comes with context too. So basically they're already done after 27 more games unless the re-sign him for well above what Rui is making now (6.7M).

Same with Poeltl. We get a protected first and a couple second rounders to add to our multiple other 2nd rounders.

Ultimately 2nd round picks are only as valuable as what players are available when they are picked. And as I posted above there's roughly as equal chance of drafting a 3 yr player as one that never makes it to an NBA roster. Not great utility by any means.

What does the context for the Lakers' or Dallas' trades have to do with the very real point Poopbox was trying to make, though? Both teams were clearly aware of the situation they were putting themselves in when they pulled those trades; it's unrelated to us what happens with them. The fact remains that those 2nd rounders got the trades done, when without them, other teams' comparable offers might've seemed better.

Second round picks are as far from " ing useless" as bishops on a chess board - only bad to those who don't know how to utilize them.

[Mr. Body]

Early 2nds have pretty nice value. I wouldn't write them off. Sure, the hit percentage on them is not too high, but there are almost always nice players in that area, especially nowadays when players enter the draft so young and raw. A Trayce-Jackson Davis is absolutely worth an early SRP or that big dude for Arizona.

[Mr. Body]

I think this board is discounting early SRPs because this board has for some stupid reason totally turned on Tre Jones at this point. And who knows ing why.

[Sugus]

we don't use 2nd round picks to draft players. We use them to flip them into late firsts by moving up. Spurs could move a 2nd with J-Rich and turn that into another first in this years draft

Exactly. We've done this move in the past and, combined with the Spurs' drafting and scouting prowess (which has ironically had better results in the late first round than the lottery in recent years, Sochan notwithstanding), it's a major advantage for the Spurs.

Easy to forget that Dejounte, White, Keldon were all #29 picks, and the Spurs got back significantly more draft capital from trading two of the three than they ever spent drafting them in the first place.

[LeBowen]

Early 2nds have pretty nice value. I wouldn't write them off. Sure, the hit percentage on them is not too high, but there are almost always nice players in that area, especially nowadays when players enter the draft so young and raw. A Trayce-Jackson Davis is absolutely worth an early SRP or that big dude for Arizona.

Yeah, every draft has at least a couple of second rounders who become solid NBA players.


But we're also in the territory where we got too many of those decent prospects, we need a couple of guys who can become really good.
All of these smaller trades are irrelevant in the bigger picture. One or two more picks in 25-30 range won't change a thing if we don't get lucky in the lottery.

Like noone will care if we have a couple more players on Tre's level if we land Wemby or Scoot. That becomes irrelevant. You need a star to build the team.

[exstatic]

Interesting note on that pick LA gave up:

It’s protected 1-4 for 2027. However, if it does not convey in 2027? Immediately converts to a 2nd. So it’s all or nothing in 2027 for the pick.

It keeps their 2029 pick in play.

[ace3g]

[Leetonidas]

Ja suddenly scared that the West has lapped him after his stupid comment earlier in the season

[Mr. Body]

Neither Anunoby or Bridges will kick a player in the balls. Not Grizzly material.

[Atl Spur]

Ja suddenly scared that the West has lapped him after his stupid comment earlier in the season

^this

[Mr. Body]

If Marks gets some extra firsts for Bridges, he's done a pretty great job getting rid of Durant.

[Atl Spur]

I’d keep bridges if I’m Brooklyn ….. him and finney smith can be wing stop. Dinwiddy Harris bridges finney-smith Claxton can win a game or two

[JPB]

Ja suddenly scared that the West has lapped him after his stupid comment earlier in the season

Dallas fans on tuesday: Yeah, we got Kyrie! New WC favorites!
Phoenix fans on thursday: Nope

[RC_Drunkford]

I’d keep bridges if I’m Brooklyn ….. him and finney smith can be wing stop. Dinwiddy Harris bridges finney-smith Claxton can win a game or two

more like Dinwiddie, Thomas, Bridges, O'Neal, Claxton

Nets have a lot of championship team level role players. They are deep, just no clear #1 option. They will have to trade some of them cause there are not enough minutes available for all of them

[Mr. Body]

more like Dinwiddie, Thomas, Bridges, O'Neal, Claxton

Nets have a lot of championship team level role players. They are deep, just no clear #1 option. They will have to trade some of them cause there are not enough minutes available for all of them

Nets were such a fun team before they went all-in with the Tumultuous Trio. Scrappy as , clutch, crazy. This feels more like Sean Marks' wheelhouse, finding valuable players and building from there.

[Spursfanfromafar]

The Nets still are in line to pay $35 million in luxury tax this year. They could try to dump some of their remaining contracts and guess who has the cap space to accommodate that. Interesting 4 hours to go ...