From reddit as a broad overview on the origins of this ongoing trade relationship with TOR:
Somewhat confused about the win last night but looking at the situation I could see SA feeling confident they will thread the needle and TOR will get frozen out of the bottom 6.
In that case it's bombs away with losses to crush them down into max possible value #7 or 8 instead of letting them float up to lesser value #9 or 10 etc and Spurs did what they could personally to help with that by winning last night.
That 2025 TOR 2RP could be a nice asset to keep an eye on possibly essentially a very late first
if the Raps convey 2024 FRP to SA they own their 2025 FRP and might soft tank to enhance it since they keep it thus rendering the 2025 2RP more valuable.
Players always try to win
This, plus the fact that the Raps played like dog , spraying turnovers all over the place and going at Wemby in the paint over and over.
Seriously, anybody who watched the game could tell there was no way to lose to those Raptors. Spurs were up by like 30, there is no tanking your way out of that
The Spurs traded the '23 33rd pick to Minnesota (Leonard Miller) for 2 future 2nd rounders. I wouldn't lose sleep over a pick that the Spurs likely value at 2 future 2nds at best.
Yeah, we won't have room for all the FRPs we have, let alone the SRPs.
ideally the raptors pick conveys this year and the bulls pick waits until 2026, and that way we have 2 firsts in each of 24/25/26/27 (26 also coming with swap rights). and whether the charlotte pick conveys or not next year becomes just a cherry on top
second rounders gotta be used aggressively in trades, or exclusively on players who will agree to two-way contracts
raptors lose,Memphis and charlote wins....Way to go pop u ing idiot...We needs raptors pick bad....This team
needs help bad...I know its not a good draft,But alot of those players would be an upgrade over our current
roster.
Agreed. Especially after the Kennedy Chandler trade the year before essentially in the same range/zone of the draft. Same thing a year later with thinking SA might pick Rupert only to be L. Miller traded to MIN. Spurs love trading out that early 2nd spot since it has enough demand. Definitely seems to be a trend.
The TOR 2025 could shape up to be a nice asset regardless of how it gets utilized and ultimately by whom.
Eventually SA will prize those 2nds once in contention to cheaply round out the end of rosters and have a lot of swings since the 2nd has a obvs higher miss rate. But it seems too early for that. And I feel like SA doesn't historically seem to value bundling 2nds up to make a move into the late first but that is technically also an option.
Last night was going to be a danger. Houston is one of the worst teams in the league when playing away from home, something like 5 and 21 or something like that. Beating Indiana even at home was a tall task for Toronto.
Just wanted to bring attention to this post - Avdija actually looks awesome this year and I would 100% take that deal.
He just turned 23 last month and has improved every single year. He's shooting 50/40/75 this year with definite creation upside and is a solid rebounder and defender. His contract at 4/55 is one of the best value non-max non-rookie contracts in the league - in fact I'd take his contract over Vassell in a vacuum. Whether he's your starting 3 or a high level backup, that is an awesome piece to get for a still developing awesome all-around player who's been improving every single year. I just don't think Washington's dumb enough to give him up for #7 this year.
I like Deni myself too. There are several guys like that I'd be interested in, but he's probably near the top. I don't think they take back Zach in a deal like that though. He'd be very hard to pry out of there with his contract. I doubt there's a deal for him we'd do unless Washington finds themselves in a bigger deal elsewhere and we can somehow have some leverage in a 3 team scenario. It'd be a real longshot, but I'd love to have him.
Just to say, second year Jeremy Sochan was a good bit better than a second year Deni Avdija:
https://stathead.com/basketball/vers...24&p2yrto=2024
Got him a good bit in many categories per 36 - much better from range, equal in rebounds, more assists, fewer fouls, same blocks, same steals, better ft shooter. And is a year younger in his sop re year than Avdija was. Deni had better advanced stats, but I'll give those a push as Sochan was playing out of position for much of the year.
Pretty cool visual. This thing will continue to grow for years. Keldon will be traded, and fascinated to see if the two FRPs get packaged for a player.From reddit as a broad overview on the origins of this ongoing trade relationship with TOR:
They forgot George Hill, lol
surely memphis dont want us to get the pick....They refusing to be below raptors.
Memphis has won two straight after losing nine in a row. Those wins were against a Houston team that is terrible on the road and a Milwaukee team that is reeling, 3-7 in their last ten.
We'll see how things go in the last twenty-some games.
I remember when Spurs used to pull randoms out of their ass and make them look competent.
Grizzlies third stringers would easily sweep Wemby-less Spurs and we're talking about development and patience.
It’s over. Raptors will surely start tanking soon as well
Avdija going from a 30% lifetime three point shooter over his first three seasons to 40% this year is kind of remarkable. He's getting up more overall shots, but taking slightly fewer threes per game. Is it shot selection? Did he change his form? Are people having to respect his dribble more? Whatever the he is doing, I wish he would let Tre Jones know.
Do we have a chance?
Champagnie is the new project
Even if Toronto stays below Memphis, as they are now, we still have a touch above a. 500 chance of getting the pick.
Toronto over New Jersey by 28. Interesting result.
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