Reasonable trade ideas

[AFBlue]

Beside, i'd rather get daniel gibson from the cavs he could stay with us a little longer with more upside.

Gibson now starts for the Cavs and they're looking to add a point guard, not subtract one. I get the feeling that the Cavs really like what Gibson brings.

What would be the package?

[AFBlue]

My dream 's trade :

Finley, Bonner and Udrih for Duhon, Kryahpa and Safolosha.
It works, on the trade chacker.

I know we have a promise with Finley, but Chicago is a very good team end his home.
Chicago could be intrigued to have him in their team, expecially come playoff time, and sacrifice some youth, that's what we desperately need, expecially in the guard position.

Doubt you'll see the Spurs deal with a "contender" (or any deals between NBAs "contenders" for that matter) before the trade deadline. Lottery-bound teams looking to create cap space or go into full-blown rebuild mode (Bobcats, Blazers, 76ers, Grizzlies, Celtics) will deal with the contenders or amongst themselves.

On your trade....

Duhon makes some sense for a legit backup PG, but he is either starting for them or the first guy off the bench....they obviously value his prescence.

Sefolosha is a versatile guy they see playing at least two positions and being important to their future.

Khryapa is interesting though. He's a kid that obviously has talent, fills a need for the Spurs (can play 3/4), and doesn't get much "burn" in his current situation. I could see the Spurs going after a guy like him, but again, I think it's unlikely you'll see a deal between two "contenders", even if it is just for "peripheral players".

Theoretically though, a Beno for Khryapa deal works straight up...

[Bruno]

Duhon and Sefolosha aren't available.
Duhon was maybe available few weeks ago when he struggles but now it's likely too late to get him.

[Bruno]

http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/dal...300.xml&coll=1


A market filled with middling madness

Sunday, February 18, 2007
BY DAVE D'ALESSANDRO

Now that we are nearly done celebrating this capitalistic orgy known as All-Star Weekend -- it just gets better every year, doesn't it? -- we can get back to the business of trying to figure out why there are more unwanted mediocre players being shopped than ever before, when it's much easier to fork over $14 million or $36 million just to make guys disappear like the Knicks and Sixers do.

Of course, if mercenaries such as Jalen Rose and Chris Webber end up getting cheap rings in Phoenix and Detroit, we might rethink the wisdom of that strategy.

But there are plenty of unwanted guys still hanging around -- some of them as superfluous as Jalen, some of them as competent as C-Web -- and they fill up the annual list of players who are likely to be moved before Thursday's trade deadline.

BREVIN KNIGHT: Health has become an issue for the Jersey guy. The abdominal muscle still hasn't healed as he had expected, and the Bobs actually deactivated him last week, which didn't make him very happy. But there are teams all over the place that can use a steady backup point -- from Golden State to Indiana to Miami -- and the only question is whether they want to absorb a $4.4 million salary if he's still hurting.

JAMES POSEY: His departure was assured as soon as Eddie Jones hit Miami, but this proves that teams have very short memories. He's a good complementary piece with a strong defensive mind-set -- maybe overpriced at $6.4 mil (expiring) -- but the Heat probably don't win Game 6 at Dallas last year without him, and he also had strong fourth quarters against the Spurs and Blazers last week. But he's a good spare part, and somebody with an extra point guard that Miami needs (Spurs? Suns?) could put him to good use.

MIKE BIBBY: Miami was said to have its sights set on him, but at $13.5 this year and $14.5 next, it's not happening for a team that has marching orders to stay under the luxury tax. Cleveland was another possible destination, but it's very hard to put together the salaries and picks (the Cavs don't have one) to make it work.

JAMAAL MAGLOIRE: He's still only 28, still only three years removed from All-S om, still has the body beautiful, and you can still lift his $8.4M off your cap when this is all over. So why can't he find a home? For one thing, he's slow. For another, there was a good reason the Bucks jettisoned him a year ago for a backup point guard (Steve Blake) and came out ahead in the deal: He's become very hard to motivate, unless you play a slow game, and he gets to touch it a lot.

JUAN DIXON: He'd be a great, cost-effective solution for Cleveland or Detroit, but the questions linger. Is he the guy who has looked so out of it most of the year, or the guy who buried his old Washington team off the bench (14 points, four steals) last week? Either way, it's doubtful the Blazers would take David Wesley or Flip Murray back for him.

COREY MAGGETTE: The only reason he hasn't been shipped out by now, goes the yarn, is that he's one of Clippers owner Donald Sterling's faves and has final say on any deal. The problem, of course, is that he's not going to bring back much, because the entire league thinks he's one of the worst chemistry guys on the market. So Mike Dunleavy tried something clever -- he let Maggette start at Detroit, just so The Donald could watch his favorite player look inept on TV. Maggette followed the script: He shot 3-for-10, and the Clips got waxed. It would be good to see him land in Utah or San Antonio, just for the entertainment value of watching Jerry Sloan or Gregg Popovich whip him into shape.

MIKE JAMES: Randy Foye has taken James' job away, which would ordinarily make him hit the ceiling, but James will take the T'Wolves' $24 mil and shut up. Every team but Detroit seems reluctant to take a chance on him, because he's not exactly the pass-first point that most coaches want. But there's a deal to be made if GM Kevin McHale doesn't want to keep him hostage and has the guts to admit a mistake for the first time since his last mistake.

NAZR MOHAMMED: He's a starting-quality center and has played 18 minutes in the past month for the Pistons. That's not fair, especially since this is a good kid whose only crime was that he couldn't keep double-teams from swarming Rasheed Wallace. Minnesota has interest.

P.J. BROWN: Another expiring contract ($8M), but unless something happens with the next guy on this list, he looks stuck in Chicago for the duration.

PAU GASOL: The widespread perception is that Chicago is offering one of their top-tier kids (choose: Ben Gordon, Luol Deng, Kirk Hinrich or Andres Nocioni), one of their toddlers (choose: Tyrus Thomas or Thabo Sefolosha) plus the Knicks' draft pick and P.J.'s salary. Tempting, if true. But on second thought, nah. It really makes more sense to wait for the draft lottery, to determine what bigs are going to be available when their turn comes up.

TRAVIS DIENER/KEYON DOOLING: There's a market for backup points, and Orlando has a surplus.

BENO UDRIH: Spurs coach Gregg Popovich has had enough of him, after giving him three tries to secure the backup point job.

[Bruno]

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/16722866.htm


On the NBA | Some Trade Advice

Posted on Sun, Feb. 18, 2007
By David Aldridge
Inquirer Columnist

The Spurs need James Posey on that wall. San Antonio is still smart and tough and willing, but the Spurs need someone who can move if they're going to have any chance at beating Dallas and Phoenix in the playoffs. They need someone who can step out and guard Dirk Nowitzki or Shawn Marion. Posey is precisely that kind of all-around guy.

A Brent Barry-Beno Udrih offer would give Miami both three-point firepower and guard depth to bolster the injured Jason Williams and the fading Gary Payton.

[Mr. Body]

Now that E-Will's expiring is gone I don't see a trade for Posey. Giving up Barry for him is probably too much.

[1Parker1]

Barry for Posey? Does that even match?

[dg7md]

Posey would be a lot more effective than Barry.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, it's another 300k or so off the luxury tax.

[Williewebb]

You all know Pop aint gonna make anymore moves be for the deadline. H wants to beat Avery with the tools we have. The Spurs need one more person who com defend and shot. Who can do that now-a-days???

[ChumpDumper]

I don't know who com defend and shot.

[spurtime]

Posey doesn't seem to have recovered from his injury and is having a hard time finding his shot. If we were getting the Posey from last season (or better yet the Posey from 3 years ago in Memphis) I would probably pull the trigger on a Barry for Posey deal, but I don't think that's the case.

[AFBlue]

Doubt you'll see a deal between two "contenders". My guess is that Posey goes back to Memphis for Chucky Atkins or he goes to Charlotte for Knight.

[ArgSpursFan]

I don´t care who it is,but we need another SF besides Bowen who can give some scoring and D, if we wanna have a chance to get to the WCFs.

[CarmeloNumeroUno]

why dont the spur deal for K-Mart he be back in full effect next season( THINK AMARE)

Nah seriously though yall get NENE and well take FINLEY and UDRIH

want the salaries matched? fine throw in ginobili take away finley

BaDaBaBaBAAAAAAA IM LOVIN IT

[Darkwaters]

What about Brent Barry/Beno Udrih/Draft Pick for James Posey/Dorell Wright.

The Spurs send a the Heat their needed PG depth and a veteran shooter. The Spurs get a pair of SFs, one who can play this year and contribute and another for the future. Unfortunately, the trade is $10,000 over, but is there anyway to use trade exceptions to balance this? Or is there no way? $10,000 isn't enough to laugh at.

[Darkwaters]

Nah seriously though yall get NENE and well take FINLEY and UDRIH

Nene is making like 10 million dollars. How would that work when Finley and Udrih combined are making less than 4? Magic?

[ArgSpursFan]

why dont the spur deal for K-Mart he be back in full effect next season( THINK AMARE)

Nah seriously though yall get NENE and well take FINLEY and UDRIH

spurs don´t need NENE,we have this guy called Tim Duncan.You know him?

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

dang it. It no longer looks like im the token Nuggets fan on Spurstalk

[AFBlue]

What about Brent Barry/Beno Udrih/Draft Pick for James Posey/Dorell Wright.

The Spurs send a the Heat their needed PG depth and a veteran shooter. The Spurs get a pair of SFs, one who can play this year and contribute and another for the future. Unfortunately, the trade is $10,000 over, but is there anyway to use trade exceptions to balance this? Or is there no way? $10,000 isn't enough to laugh at.

Again, I wouldn't expect a deal between the Spurs and Heat. Two contending teams are not likely to help eachother in their race to the le. Expect the Spurs to go after assets from a lottery-bound or fringe playoff team with the assets they have to offer (young projects and rights to players overseas)....

[Darkwaters]

Hows this trade?

San Antonio Sends:
Fabricio Oberto
Beno Udrih
2nd round pick (Milwaukee)

Chicago Sends:
Chris Duhon
Luol Deng
PJ Brown
Viktor Khryapa
Draft pick (maybe a 2008 1st rounder)

Memphis Sends:
Pau Gasol
Alexander Johnson



Chicago Receives:
Pau Gasol
Alexander Johnson
Beno Udrih

Memphis Receives:
Luol Deng
Fabricio Oberto
PJ Brown
Spurs 2nd round pick (from Milwaukee)
Bulls draft pick

San Antonio receives:
Chris Duhon
Viktor Khryapa


Bulls get Gasol and a replacement to Duhon plus filler. Memphis gets Deng, PJ Brown's expiring contract and Oberto (whom they were supposedly high on) and a nice draft pick. The Spurs get their long young SF and Beno's replacement.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...9~29~24~24~4~4

[spurtime]

Hows this trade?

San Antonio Sends:
Fabricio Oberto
Beno Udrih
2nd round pick (Milwaukee)

Chicago Sends:
Chris Duhon
Luol Deng
PJ Brown
Viktor Khryapa
Draft pick (maybe a 2008 1st rounder)

Memphis Sends:
Pau Gasol
Alexander Johnson



Chicago Receives:
Pau Gasol
Alexander Johnson
Beno Udrih

Memphis Receives:
Luol Deng
Fabricio Oberto
PJ Brown
Spurs 2nd round pick (from Milwaukee)
Bulls draft pick

San Antonio receives:
Chris Duhon
Viktor Khryapa


Bulls get Gasol and a replacement to Duhon plus filler. Memphis gets Deng, PJ Brown's expiring contract and Oberto (whom they were supposedly high on) and a nice draft pick. The Spurs get their long young SF and Beno's replacement.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...9~29~24~24~4~4

That would make my pants very happy. Unfortunately, you overestimate how much Paxson is willing to give up in order to get Gasol.

[freemeat]

anyone up for a Rashard Lewis for Oberto-Barry deal? Mathematically, it works out...Maybe we can throw in a draft pick and/or cash, since we have what, 3 second-rounders this summer?

[AFBlue]

anyone up for a Rashard Lewis for Oberto-Barry deal? Mathematically, it works out...Maybe we can throw in a draft pick and/or cash, since we have what, 3 second-rounders this summer?

Not in the realm of "reasonable"...sorry.

[freemeat]

I don't see why not...the salaries match. Rashard probably won't want to re-sign with Seattle, who's been secretly shopping him around. Barry is a Seattle-favorite, and Oberto can give them an inside presence that'll space the floor for Barry and Allen (who would also benefit from having Barry on the floor). If Seattle doesn't pull the trigger on a Lewis trade, they could potentially lose him this summer for nothing. How is that unreasonable?