So a player making 16 million in America can make 10 million in Europe... where do these players sign up?
7 year deals are a rarity. At best you're going to get a 5 year deal with an option for a sixth and even that is rare. Gone are the days pf 7 or even 10 year deals.Nobody has shown me any 7 year 120 million dollar contracts lol. T-Mac gets a 5 year 100 million dollar contract and Yao has a 5 yr 80 million contract. Does Shaq have a 7yr contract LOL. If our dollar falls anymore to where it's 2 Euros to every dollar you can bet that a lot of players are going there to play. As it stands now, the Euroleague has the ability to pay big bucks if they want to. All they have to do is divert some of that soccor money to basketball.
Why would Shaq have a seven year deal?
The Euroleague can pay big bucks sure, but in relation to Europe and other sub par leagues in other countries but not compared to the NBA.
What you and others are doing is making a big deal out of nothing. One of the best players over there is getting a decent contract offer and is mulling it over against a rookie cap locked salary in the NBA.
Then tell Stern to do that by next week LOL. Nope not gonna happen. No rookie scale pay raise. Then again, tell me how many NBA players get 7 year 120 million dollar contracts?
Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Garnett, JO'Neal, etc. Some have gotten more.
Tell me, how many Euroleague players have gotten more than a $40 million guaranteed contract? $30 mil?
The rookie scale will likely be revamped if it continues to limit teams' efforts to sign the international players for which they hold draft rights.
I'd be surprised if any of those are longer than 2 years.
Didn't Eric Dampier get a seven year deal?
What would those numbers be in american dollars?
My bad.
Kobe's contract wasn't 7 years and $120 mil guaranteed. It's 7 years and $136 mil.
TD's contract is 7 years, $122 mil.
But that's not the major point. That point is the large number of $30 and 40 million guaranteed contracts doled out in the NBA.
Take a look...http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/contracts
Even with the $ dropping, the possibility of one of those contracts is more attractive than the possibility of a guaranteed contract worth maybe 1/4th of that.
Assuming those are in Euros, the top salary in Europe is apparently $6 mil, or just a smidgen above the average NBA salary.
ROFL.
If the listing of top paid guys is accurate, this reported offer to Splitter makes him one of the three highest paid guys in Euroleague? And he is almost the highest paid? I know he is a good NBA prospect, but that seems pretty high in relation to all the other guys over there.
Did Tau pay him peanuts before and now that the Spurs want him, they finally decide to open up the pursestrings.
Is the current exchange rate 1.36 dollars per Euro? I could be way off in my calculations.
Assume $1.50.
That's why I asked I'm not sure what the MIO is.
Tau won game 2 against Barcelona.
They are up 2-0 in a best of 5 series and will play 2 of the last 3 games at home.
Splitter's stats : 12 points(5/13 FG, 2/5 FT) and 9 rebounds
For Barcelona, Ersan Ilyasova put 15 points and 10 rebounds. He had a so-so season but he is playing great in the playoffs. He is only 22 and could be back with bucks next season.
He took them as far as Scola did in Euroleague last year, and farther than Scola did in the ACB. That's worth quite a bit of scratch.
Here's the NBA rookie salary scale.
http://www.mynbadraft.com/NBA-Rookie-Salary-Scale-2007
We're only having this discussion because Tiago was drafted 28th. It's that simple.
Biedrins > Splitter at shotblocking. Splitter averaged less than a block per game ... in Euroleague.
In general, Biedrins >>>>>>>>> Splitter. Splitter is good but Biedrins is a younger and would be even more of a stud right now if he played for anyone other than Nellie.
I'll try to think of a good comparison for Splitter ... haven't thought of one yet.
And the highest paid player in Europe's contract was a whopping 2 years long:
linkOn September 25, 2007, Panathinaikos announced the 2-year agreement with Jasikevičius.[5] His contract (€7,000,000 for 2 years) and the total cost of the transfer (€8,700,000 including his €1,700,000 buyout) made Jasikevičius' move to Panathinaikos the most expensive athlete transfer in Greek sports history.
So while some NBA teams with the low 1st round draft rights to international talent will find it perhaps a little harder to sign that talent given the recent decline in the $, the imminent move of NBA talent to Europe is not at hand.
Thanks for the clarification.
That's good money for the top guys, but there's a ton of players in the NBA pulling down $3-5MM per year after tax 4 or 5 years guaranteed.
The salaries over there are net of tax so that can up the totals by 30-35%. The list is of the highest paid guys supposedly.
Assuming this list is in the ballpark, Ten or so players on the 23 teams are making the annual salary that 120 or 130 guys are making in the NBA.
Do the Euroleague guys get big money contracts for 4-5 years guaranteed or is the business model over there not structured to do that?
I know Scola had a long term deal before coming over, but I'm not sure if he had a huge annual salary over in Europe.
Looks like Indazone's argument is...
As long as your nationality is the same as where you play. Any American would have to pay tax on whatever money they receive. So you pay income tax on your salary and then you pay income tax on the amount you were paid to pay your income taxes.
At least.
Assuming this list is in the ballpark, Ten or so players on the 23 teams are making the annual salary that 120 or 130 guys are making in the NBA.
No.Do the Euroleague guys get big money contracts for 4-5 years guaranteed
He might have the last season, but he stands to get much more now in the NBA.I know Scola had a long term deal before coming over, but I'm not sure if he had a huge annual salary over in Europe.
The basic math for Splitter is that he can take Tau's 2 year guaranteed offer now for a higher amount than the rookie scale with no guarantee after that or he can come to the NBA, start playing through the rookie scale contract, and get long-term guaranteed money when that ends. If he's as good as advertised, he should be able to start in the NBA and be an above average starting NBA center. So he could very well be looking at a $60+ mil guaranteed contract then.
Jeez guys.
The two years guaranteed money and two year team options might limit the Spurs if this guy turns out to be good (assuming he comes over now).
Could the SAS figure out a way to just get him over here with the idea that they could extend him after two or three years to bigger dollars?
On the surface, the salaries in this four year window would seem to be a detriment to the Spurs.
Like some other people have mentioned, maybe the NBA and NBAPA could come up with something so their clubs could have a waiver per team where they could bring in someone at a more competative rate than they can now. Especially the late #ones.
Glad you backed off the Francisco Elson comparison just because Splitter ran fast...
Agree that Biedrins is probably not the best comparison though. They have about the same build and speed, but I think I'd end it there.
FWIW, both DX and NBAdraft.net listed PJ Brown as a comparison.
Last edited by AFBlue; 05-31-2008 at 04:11 PM. Reason: Add more stuff
HC,
Does Splitter pay income tax on his deal because he is from Brazil and plays in the Euroleage for a Spanish team? If so, that does bring down the offered numbers somewhat?
Taxes are always paid. It's just that Euro salaries as reported are apparently after taxes have been taken out. In addition, things like car and home leases can be included that would be considered cap cir vention in the NBA.
He holds dual citizenship from Brazil and Spain.
If he wants to play in the NBA, the best time is now, when the Spurs are in need of his services. Maybe the spot will be open when he decides to come over later, but there's no guarantee of that.
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