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Spurs need to target a 3, I just don't care if they bring in another Big simply because Pop refuses to play any. Get a real 3 is my top choice and get rid of some of these guards we have on the bench, bring in a 3 and a backup pg.
I know you are asking timvp, but in my opinion there's not a big man good enough on both ends that can literally unseat McDyess' spot in the rotation as of right now (imo). In my opinion the only big that is available that can do this is Amare. Maybe Haywood but I don't think Haywood is good enough to come in and provide 30 significant minutes night in and night out, stealing minutes from Blair and McDyess.
Any other big man they target would more than likely see 15-20 minutes at most. Which isn't even half the game.
If Spurs target Camby, it would limit their flexibility to make a move for an upgrade in an all around wing because they would be getting rid of all of their expendable expiring contracts and it would take a 1st round pick at least for the Clippers to even look at the proposal.
As I stated already, I don't see Camby being a significant upgrade especially if he takes away minutes from the players in the front-court who have been just as or more productive in a per minute basis ( McDyess and Blair).
I would much rather the Spurs use their expendable trading assets for an upgrade in the Bogan/ Mason/Finley combination. Then make a small move for a big that can compete with Blair for the majority of the minutes in the front court off the bench.
I would much rather make a strong move for Salmons/Thomas than just Camby as I stated below.
I know you asked timvp, but I couldn't help myself. Not that my opinion matters. This is just my two cents.
Spurs need to target a 3, I just don't care if they bring in another Big simply because Pop refuses to play any. Get a real 3 is my top choice and get rid of some of these guards we have on the bench, bring in a 3 and a backup pg.
Seriously people, if the Spurs are not close to a deal why keep this thread going!?! There's a lot of trade threads so use them. 33pgs of BS
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I would love to get Tyrus Thomas, he is the perfect complimentary piece to Duncan in his twilight years. He is a tall, physical, athletic PF/C that can really give the team a lift defensively. I would trade any of Bonner / Mason Jr / Mahinmi / Splitter / Blair / 1st rd picks to get this guy.
oh well.http://blogs.bulls.com/chicago_bulls...o-players.html
On Saturday, the Bulls suspended Tyrus Thomas for one game for conduct detrimental to the team. Thomas will serve his one-game suspension when the Bulls host the Miami Heat on Saturday.
Del Negro did not elaborate on the cir stances surrounding suspension, but called the situation “unfortunate” and added, “It’s an internal matter and Gar [Forman] and myself will handle it.”
two aspects:
-usually such things (didn't such things happen last season either?) increase the chance that the team wants to get rid of the player.
-TT would be a fit in several categories, but Spurs will hesitate to bring in such a head case.
Ratliff could easily have been that help defender in the rim... obviously, not what this coaching staff is looking for, or he would have seen the floor more often. Like it's been said, we're going to battle with McDyess / Blair, and considering that Antonio has been playing relatively well lately, I have no problem with that. A perimeter defensive stopper to take Bogans/Mason minutes should be the target.
yes, for sure. no matter how the rotations will turn out, if it's Bonner and Fin (+filler) or even Mason, Bonner, Fin for Salmons and Pargo, it will be an quality upgrade, even if no big man can be acquired via trade.
(btw. there will be a good chance the Spurs get one of the usual buy outs. Etan Thomas, Kwame Brown, Fab, Brezec, Skinner, Kurt Thomas, Battie, will likely be on the market. don't say that any is good enough)
and I mentioned it before: with Salmons playing the 3, the small ball line up with RJ playing 4, will be much better and bigger and IMO a very nice option in many situations.
You're right, your opinion doesn't matter.
I think that the need for a good defensive minded bigman is way bigger than the need for a wing. It's even more the case with Hill looking better and better and playing significant minutes at the SG spot.
I'm not fan of the approach of fixing the small problem and giving up fixing the big one. If Spurs can't improve their PF/C rotation they are quite screwed even if they can't get a competent SG/SF. A trade for Salmons+ Thomas would only make Spurs a contender if Thomas can play well.
anybody consider blatche of the wizards? idk, he just popped in my head. he's young, 6'11 and still mobile, pretty good d, big wingspan, and he plays for the team where just about everybody's for sale. the wiz may want to keep him though since he's got a bright future, just a thought...
On The Block: Tyrus Thomas, Bulls
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With the Feb. 18 trading deadline approaching, Sporting News’ Sean Deveney assesses the latest player rumors. Today’s player on the spot: Bulls power forward Tyrus Thomas.
The facts: The anticipated shrinking of the salary cap threw off the Bulls’ plans to pursue a big-name free agent this summer. The Bulls’ expected payroll will be about $44 million next year, and even if the cap comes in high — say, $54 million — they would not have enough to pursue a top-tier free agent like Dwyane Wade or Chris Bosh. The Bulls could decline to extend a qualifying offer this summer to Thomas, who has lost playing time to rookie Taj Gibson. He was suspended for Saturday’s game against Miami for “conduct detrimental to the team.”
Bait needed: A big man with an expiring contract. The Bulls could also look for deals involving guards Kirk Hinrich and John Salmons, who have contracts extending past this season. The team, though, is unhappy with Thomas and would like to replace him with another forward.
Welcome mat: Thomas is young and athletic, and still attractive to several teams. He was linked to the Knicks in a rumor for Al Harrington early in the year, though that deal went nowhere. He also has been rumored to be going as part of a bigger package to the Kings — though that, too, seems to have come to nothing — and in a deal to Boston. Should Utah choose to trade power forward Carlos Boozer, the Bulls would almost certainly dangle Thomas.
Logic test: Thomas is only 23, and though the Bulls traded LaMarcus Aldridge for him on draft night in 2006, he has slipped in the team’s estimation. They’d be happy to deal him now.
So they say: “Minutes are up to players. You know what I mean? I am going to play the guys that give us the best chance to win, that play hard all the time, that get after it defensively and rebound. There’s accountability there. That doesn’t just go for Tyrus, that goes for all the players.” — Vinny Del Negro on Thomas’ reduced role
Bottom line: The Bulls are looking at the big picture, and the big picture extends way beyond this year — they need to get far under the salary cap and be in position to add a marquee player this summer. Trading Thomas would be the least painful way to get that done.
This trade works:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yzar827
That would be better than sex.
That would mean go 3.4M$ deeper in the salary cap...
Taking on Jefferson's salary would completely defeat the Bulls' purpose.
On another note, after going back and reading the last couple of pages, I've come to a conclusion...
Blackjack <3 'Tres
Actually we can get Dalembert/Igudola for RJ/Mason/Bonner/Mahinmi and only spend $2million more. Dalembert is 28 and has 2 years on his contract/Igudola is 26 and has 4-5years on his contract. Try it on the trade machine, it works. Im only bringing that up since I heard that the sixers want Dalembert/Brand/Igudola out.
John Salmons, the Spurs need DEFENSE. If the Spurs could somehow get Thomas and Hinrich, that would be ing sweet. However, like I said, I think all the Spurs really need is a legit 7 footer to put next to Tim to patrol the paint, ala Brendan Haywood.
Thomas is good enough to me. The problem with Tim is he cant guard quick PF's anymore. Thomas can, as well as block shots. Remember 2006-2007/2007-2008 Oberto was our starting Center and the paint was still shutdown. So once again its team defense not one guy. TT would be awesome next to Tim but Jefferson and Bogans still have to force their man to the help and not just let them walk to the front of the rim.
Just because you can make salaries match, doesn't mean it works in real life.
The Sixers aren't actively trying to get rid of Iggy but if they can find a taker for Dalembert or Brand, they wouldn't mind moving him.
You'd still have to put together a better offer than RJ and filler, though, which is the only offer that makes real sense for the Spurs..
Salmons is a good defender. I would love to be able to get Salmons and Thomas, without giving up too much.
If the Spurs could get a package of Hinrich/Thomas or Salmons/Thomas for a combo of Bonner, Finley, Mason, etc. that would be awesome
Only trade worth doing would be to upgrade over Bogans/Finley getting minutes.
No big that's available will get the minutes to make a difference.
Haywood? He has his invisible games and Pop loves McDyess and whoever's left to play too much to work him in. He'll get spot minutes, like 15 minutes a game and after the Spurs are out of the playoffs people will wonder why they even got him.
Tyrus Thomas - he won't get minutes over Blair or McDyess, and he doesnt 'know the system'. He'll be doghoused within games.
Camby - This guy can't play well enough anymore to justify getting him if the price is more than expirings and a second or a first. If he's taking on the Lakers who does he guard? He'll give up the block to Bynum everytime. The only time the Clippers have faced both Bynum and Pau, they both had 20.
As pessimistic I've been about Splitter ever signing I don't think I'd burn his card for any of those guys.
And if it means the Spurs don't address their defensive woes, that's life. Better no trade than a desperation trade.
Maybe Kurt Thomas gets bought out and the Spurs bring him in. He's old enough that Pop won't hate him.
Trade deadline is rapidly approaching and nothing except for a Kings announcer has come out about the Spurs making a move.
Thomas had a couple of nice games when he first returned from a broken left arm on Dec. 26, but since then his playing time and his contributions have been sporadic. Team insiders have said coach Vinny Del Negro has made it a policy to hold players accountable, but how exactly that relates to Thomas isn't clear. As every Bulls fan knows, the fourth-year forward can make some poor decisions on the floor and he can dominate games with his defense and athleticism when plays well. I'm hearing there isn't much trade interest in Thomas right now, so the Bulls may end up just renouncing his rights this summer when he becomes a restricted free agent.
And? You should know by now that if the Spurs do anything, you won't hear about it til like an hour before it happens.
Ya, rumors are kind of irrelevant..we had Amare-Spurs rumors just last week..
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