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Spurs draft for in that range, so let’s trade a high pick, which they don’t fumble, for TWO of those picks.
If the Spurs realize they've gone from the #8 pick to possibly having like the #8 plus #10 plus future picks, that's an enormous boost from where they were pre-lottery.
And Durant would make things really crowded for a Harper.
But I don't see the value of the #8 and #10 picks being anywhere worth the same. They require a lot of development, too, each rookie.
I don't think it's 100% that the Spurs end up with Harper. (Though working out with teams isn't a big deal. This is a chance to see how other FOs and franchises work.) IMO Durant plus Flagg work far far better than Durant plus Harper.
Spurs draft for in that range, so let’s trade a high pick, which they don’t fumble, for TWO of those picks.
This is kind of what I was referring to earlier I mentioned earlier when I said it might be hard or Castle for Harper to earn max extensions. There is no 4th or 5th best player on any team that gets a max extension… and it’s probably really tough for a 3rd best player to do it these days. The Spurs are going to lock up Fox and Wemby is obviously the king on this team. It’s reasonable for any player to look at that scenario and see it’s going to be tough to maximize your earning potential in that scenario. It doesn’t mean it’s impossible - like you said, you “just” need to be better than Fox - but Fox is a Top 30 player. It’s not like that’s just an easy thing to do.
If the Spurs get Durant and extend him for two more years… it’s going to be even tougher for these guys to earn those max extensions. It is not super common for teams to have three 20ppg scorers and it is even more rare for them to have four (I think this hasn’t been done since like the 1969-70 season?). If Wemby, KD and Fox are each averaging at or around 20+ ppg, there just isn’t going to be a lot of crumbs left for Castle and Harper… and let’s face it, unless these guys become elite defenders or assist guys… that is what earns contracts. They aren’t going to get a Rookie Max based on potential… just look at the guys who get Rookie Max extensions… they all put up stats.
I don’t know how much of a factor this is in Harper’s thinking… but I wouldn’t fault him (or anyone else) if they were thinking about it.
This is what I am (somewhat irrationally) afraid of… drafting Wemby and Castle has given them a false sense of bravado with their drafting and they get cute, thinking they are the smartest guys in the room and we end up ing this up. Keep it simple, Draft Harper.
He could be good or could be , trade down plus 2 future picks is better than a backup PG pouting on your bench.
Haven't been paying attention. What's the latest on Uncle Dennis, er, I mean Daddy Ron?
Wasn’t the 4th or 5th guy on the Suns when they gave him that extension (he was their second leading scorer and leading rebounder). He was a guy averaging 17/10. And a guy a lot of people on this very website wanted to give the max to as a free agent. If we went back and checked the threads, where would we find your opinion on the matter?
What would Harper or Castle be 1st or 2nd on the team on behind Wemby, Fox and potentially Durant?
they are shopping Cam Johnson and #19 for another lottery pick. Reports say they contacted Toronto (#9) and Houston (#10)
If he doesn't come off the bench then who does? Steph?
I never said he doesn't want to play here. I said maybe the Spurs view the other scenario as more lucrative. Like I mentioned before, I'm all for drafting Harper. That doesn't mean the Spurs see it the same way.
that's exactly what worries me about the whole thing
Lol spurms fans downplaying Scoot 2.0 Sr. comments earlier. His camp is trying to convince any team to trade for him cause he does not want to get buried on the spurms. That is why he is doing this workouts.
I trust the insider reports that the Spurs are excited about having the opportunity to draft Harper #2 in 3 weeks.
You're taking benched in the playoffs Ayton over CP3 in a year he was 9th in MVP voting or over Bridges in a year he narrowly lost the DPOY vote?
To me picking Harper is a no brainer. First off based on his statements it’s obvious he’d be happy to be in SA. To argue otherwise is fairly ridiculous. The money thing is also a ridiculous arguement. Between Castle and Harper the one who can develop a high level outside shot to complement his game that’s the one who gets paid. If neither develops a good outside shot neither will gets near max. If both develop a shot pick the one you want to trade for a bucket full of draft picks. In the meantime between Fox, Castle you have three long, high level, shot creators and drivers to unbalance the floor, at least two of which you can keep on the floor at most times. That’s two bites at the shooting apple. Sign me up for that problem.
You don't trade a winning lottery ticket for more lottery tickets as others have said.
Spurs need to build around Wemby and Harper and Castle. Harper has more upside than both Fox and Castle. He's a special talent. You don't trade your best backcourt prospect. You team him with Wemby.
It took Wemby going down and lottery luck to be able to be in a position to put a prospect/player like Harper on the Spurs.
Wemby/Harper/Castle is your future long term core with their timelines close for 10+ years. Fox is here for the shorter duration.
If you think Harper isn't going to be great (thinking he can bust) then you are blind in player analysis.
I refuse to believe rankingtear isn't a troll. Noone can be this dense, he's just baiting everyone with a daily influx of horrible takes.
It takes high end talent to win consistently. Wemby and Fox are already there, Castle looks very promising, and Harper if anything even more so. The Spurs might even be able to get KD while keeping all 4 of those guys!
Keep stacking high end talent. Draft Harper.
Your romanticizing the rebuild. Your talking about him being great and a 10 year timeline, he is already working out for 29 teams trying to get out before he is even drafted. You think that guy is fine waiting. Cmon man.
It does seem like he is the kind of 1A player who wants his own team and wants to take the final shot of every game aka Luka or a Kobe. That’s what I see in watching the tape. A player absolutely fearless at game’s end. That could be a problem with the Spurs where it seems like Wemby wants to be the closer at the end of games. With fox too even crowding the situation more.
Any thoughts on this? My thinking is if he’s good enough the problem just goes away cause he will be the closer then.
That team was so bad, he had to take all of the important shots. Rutgers had two top 3 NBA prospects, and couldn’t even make the NIT. That’s how bad the rest of their roster was.
And one of those top prospects was Ace Bailey.
All this has me wondering why Harper chose Rutgers in the first place......to be closer to home, and, presumably Uncle Daddy Ron?
Kind of weird. Maybe this has been covered 20 pages ago, apologies if so. Columbo was a big influence on me. In that vein, any guesses as to why the Harpers might want to keep their boy close to home? Are the Brooklyn rumors feasible.
I know, I know, wait 20 days and we'll all find out.
Why didn't Cooper Flagg choose the University of Maine? Maybe it was a great choice for his development as a freshman to be close to home. Very odd for a 5-star recruit.
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One of the reasons I think he’s this year’s Cam Whitmore, the guy who just does terrible interviews and comes across as a complete asshat, and has the lead scorer mindset, no passing, without the tools to implement it at the NBA.
Do I think he drops to 20? Probably not, but a drop to 10 is completely possible. Ace is a prime example of everything wrong with AAU basketball.
His brother went there and there are other ties, I think. He could have gone to Duke, I believe, which would have been unbelievable.
His brother went there and there are other ties, I think. He could have gone to Duke, I believe, which would have been unbelievable.
Daddy Ron and mom are divorced and have been for some time. All of his background story videos feature his mom and maternal relatives. She’s the primary parent, and Dylan always calls her his coach.
His bro, Ron Jr., also went to Rutgers, so there’s a family connection.
Brooklyn literally has nothing I want that’s worth #2.
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