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Yeah sorry Rashard for Barry and Oberto is not even close to reasonable. He can pull a lot more than that. But I did enjoy the whole Oberto inside presence deal.
Even if they lose some leverage by the possibility of him opting out, it doesn't mean they've lost him...they can still sign him at a higher salary and there will only be a few other teams under the salary cap enough to give him the hike in pay he wants. If seattle were to decide they're going to move him, I'd think his level of talent and youth would fetch more than Barry and Oberto.
Yeah sorry Rashard for Barry and Oberto is not even close to reasonable. He can pull a lot more than that. But I did enjoy the whole Oberto inside presence deal.
Currently they're saying the Knicks might acquire Lewis in exchange for Channing Frye and Nate Robinson. I'd say that trumps Oberto/Barry.
You heard of this thing called positionspurs donīt need NENE,we have this guy called Tim Duncan.You know him?
Duncan PF
Nene C
Actually both can play either position, though you're right that it's not really a conflict. What is a conflict, is his $10M per year contract that runs until 2012 or whatever. I'd rather have Reggie Evans for over 50% less $$.You heard of this thing called position
Duncan PF
Nene C
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...s/16737039.htm
Here's a look at point guards who may be on the market and what the Cavs have to offer:
POTENTIAL TARGETS
Mike Bibby, Kings - The Cavs have been in on-and-off talks with the Kings about their point guard for a long time. It is believed the Kings would move Bibby for the right deal but the Cavs don't have the parts needed. A third team needs to get involved and both sides have been looking.
Juan Dixon, Trail Blazers - He's not a pure point guard. He's more of a combo guard and may be too much like Daniel Gibson for the Cavs to consider. But he can handle the ball, he's available and he could help.
Beno Udrih, Spurs - He's lost his playing time again and is constantly in and out of coach Gregg Popovich's doghouse. Ferry was a part of the team that drafted Udrih three years ago and he likes the lefty's game. It is questionable whether the Spurs would let him go, though.
Travis Diener, Magic - The Magic have been shopping their quick guard, according to reports. But potential playoff opponents aren't usually trading partners.
Marko Jaric, Timberwolves - He's been in rumors for months now, ever since he voiced some displeasure earlier in the season. The Cavs looked at him in the summer of 2005, when he was a free agent, but the hefty contract he eventually signed makes him prohibitive. He's very unlikely to be going anywhere.
Jason Hart, Kings - Never plays, isn't happy, wants to be traded. He's the type of player the Cavs could get cheap and he could be a change-of-pace ballhandler for the stretch run.
POTENTIAL ASSETS
Sasha Pavlovic - His talent and recent run of good play make him a desirable prospect, especially considering he's in the final year of a contract.
Anderson Varejao - Everyone who calls the Cavs wants him, but the Cavs won't give him up unless it is for a prime player in return.
Scot Pollard - His $2.2 million deal is expiring, which makes him attractive. He's also a versatile big man, someone always in demand for a team looking to stock for the playoffs.
David Wesley - He also has an expiring deal, worth $1.75 million, with just $250,000 guaranteed for next year.
Trade exception - The Cavs have one worth $2.1 million, which they can swap for a player. But it cannot be used in a combination with players in a deal.
Dan Gilbert's checkbook - Teams can include up to $3 million in a deal, and the Cavs owner hasn't been timid in writing checks before to teams looking to limit losses.
just read on another board an interesting scenario:
the Spurs trade Beno to the Cavs for their trade exception + a future pick.
this would put the Spurs below the lux tax threshold.
it wouldn't make them better though.
(maybe they fill the open spot with a FA signing)
another interesting option would be, if Spurs combined the exception they got with the Scola rights. (for Khryapa?)
Of those deals, I think Wesley is the most attractive and reasonably available.
I think the Spurs need a Wesley/Dixon-type of combo guard to run with the likes of Nash/Barbosa and Terry/Harris.
Beno for Wesley should work...
Also, Butler + Beno for Dixon + Outlaw (mentioned in another thread)
Bring Wesley home...
Great idea, Spurs get a TE to go under the tax and then trade it for a player that put them over the tax.
And Spurs can likely get more than a player like Khryapa for Scola.
Wesley is done.
I know, just had to show love for the hometown kid, who also went to my alma mater. Someone's gotta pull for him...
that's why the word "another" was used.Great idea, Spurs get a TE to go under the tax and then trade it for a player that put them over the tax.
it tries to point out, that this option is different to the scenario, that just puts them under the threshold.
and the scenarion could also be used on a player, who doesn't put them back over the threshold (like Barnes for example)
and the option doesn't need to be used before deadline, it might be helpfull in an offseason trade, when packed with the Scola rights.
what about an opinion about such a scenario instead of the sarcasmn? you have great knowledge about basketball, would be more interesting to hear your opinion.
btw. don't know if the Spurs indeed can get more than Khryapa, as long as it is not clear, what Scola isn't signed and teams can't estimate his demands.
(he might go for a bigger contract, than he did last summer- who knows). and Khryapa does have some value for the Spurs, since he fills exactly a need for them. (the long SF who can play some PF)
My opinion : Khryapa can slighty help Spurs. He fill a need but he isn't very good.
BTW, a player like Barnes will put Spurs over the Luxury Tax.
Now, your first scenario : Spurs trade Beno for a TE + future pick and then trade Scola + TE for Khryapa before the deadline.
Is Khryapa worth Scola + $2.5M (cost for being over the luxury tax + remaining salary) ? I don't think so.
Second scenario : they do the Khryapa trade this summer.
Is the upgrade from Khryapa to a player like Jumaine Jones worth Scola ? I don't think so.
And Scola buyout situation was very clear last sumer and it will likely be the case too this summer.
he's not very good, but he could be a decent player on defense. he doesn't get any PT in Chicago, which is esay to understand when Deng, Nocioni and Thomas play his position.
his qualities are clearly on defense and he is a good rebounder. Spurs liked him 2004, there were some rumors, that he was very high on their draft list.
about Scola: we even don't know, if he would ever sign with the Spurs, after what had happened.
overall I would say that Scola is better than Khryapa, but Khryapa is better than nothing.
Khryapa is probably worth a second round pick at this point.
if Bulls hand him over for a 2nd rounder it will be fine with me.
How about Jackie Butler for Viktor Khryapa? Nevermind, doesn't work salary-wise.
Khyrapa is fine, so is Barnes, so is Singleton, so is Outlaw, and so are several other SF/PF types that the Spurs could have for a minimum price. The problem is that none of them have a realistic chance of cracking the rotation this year and helping get a championship this year. Any of them would/should be considered assets for the future.
I'm not sure Outlaw is as readily available as a "minimum price".
Barnes could IMO. in some games the improvment in the rebounding and energy department will be more important, than what we might lose when playing a player, who doesn't know the sytem well.
and Nazr also wasn't exactly a basketball genious, but got 20 minutes right away ans started in the PO.
I think we've been a few rounds on this point, so I'll just say....
I respect your opinion, and respectfully disagree....
something different. (not based on any rumors)
thanks to the weak East, the Knicks are surprisingly back in the PO race. 3 1/2 ganes behind the Heat and 4 games behind the (struggeling) Magic.
can anybody of you see Isah not do some trades?
and looking at their team, they have clearly one weakness and this is 3 point shooting. (they are no.29 in the league). if they had one competent shooter, they would be a 0.500 team right now.
Knick and Spurs do have a history in doing deadline trades (or trying), so they know the phone numbers.
Jeffries was on the Spurs wish list this summer, maybe not for the price the Knicks finally payed him, but his qualities are wanted even more desperate right now, than they were in the summer.
he lost his spot in the rotation lately, averaging just 8 minutes in February.
the development of Lee also made Jeffries somehow expendable.
can anybody see this happen?
(i know, that the Spurs wouldn't like Jeffries long term contract, but he would also be a long term solution for the often mentioned 3/4 foreward)
do you agree, that Isiah will make a call for Brent?
Not sure if this has been mentioned in the thread, but if Ferry is high on Beno, which is a stretch, would it be possible to send Oberto and Udrih to Cleveland for Pavlovic and Varejao? It gives the Cavs some help at point, Oberto for Varejao seems like a wash and Pavlovic gives us some flexibility at the swing position. At least we can have a 3 that can score off the bench. Your thoughts?
you don't care much for basketball, do you?
Will Dolan consent to any trades? I thought his altimatum was for IT to sleep in the bed he made (meaning no trades)...
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