2024 NBA Draft Thread

[Mugen]

You know what the Suns did? Draft supossedly high upside guys with defensive and playmaking abilities but questionable shooting, at number 4. What does that sound like?

I mean Scottie Barnes is that archetype and went top 5 a few drafts later. He won ROtY. It's not an exact science tbh.

[Mr. Body]

What's funny is this team went to get shooters and the fanbase despises the players they got - Forbes and McDermott. , most of them hate Patty Mills.

Just got to understand most of this fanbase is clinically insane and not worth more than a laugh.

[Mugen]

the problem was Forbes was playing over guys like Dejounte and DWhite. But nah the old man is always correct sniiiiiiiffffffff

[Mugen]

A revisionist history case for Bryn ing Forbes

[Mr. Body]

the problem was Forbes was playing over guys like Dejounte and DWhite. But nah the old man is always correct sniiiiiiiffffffff

Right on cue, lol. No pleasing the dip s.

[Mugen]

Right on cue, lol. No pleasing the dip s.

Only a true Sniffer would equate an 8th man like Patty Mills to a loser like Bryn Forbes who the old man played over above average players like Dejounte & DWhite for several seasons

[Degoat]

4th- Castle/Dillingham- one of them gotta be the pick, A lot of upside between the two imo. Castle could be that big athletic lead guard that the spurs have been looking for, Dillingham’s offense could be Elite.

8th- Bit more tricky tbh. Could be whichever prospect falls, I honestly think Topic falls to 8th and at that point I’d consider taking a chance on him.

[Joseph Kony]

What's funny is this team went to get shooters and the fanbase despises the players they got - Forbes and McDermott. , most of them hate Patty Mills.

Just got to understand most of this fanbase is clinically insane and not worth more than a laugh.

you're such a ing dumbass, it's mindboggling how purposely obtuse and stupid you are. No one hates Patty Mills, or even McDermott. people hated Pop overplaying them dip . but please, whine more about how Spurs fans are toxic and the worst fanbase as if you arent a complete re

[Mr. Body]

Only a true Sniffer would equate an 8th man like Patty Mills to a loser like Bryn Forbes who the old man played over above average players like Dejounte & DWhite for several seasons

I'm not even supporting those players, you monkey brained idiot. I'm just pointing out how ST freaks will get mad when they get shooters. And then they get mad when they get other players.

Lol, just go yourself. As if I needed to prove my point. LMAO

[Leetonidas]

If you don't like ST no one is forcing you to post here 24/7

[Knoxxx]

Dillingham will be there at 8 if you want shooting. I do like Knecht, though.

I think I got flamed for suggesting Dilly at 8 instead of 4. For those that high on Dilly, fine, but he could drop was the point, not that he was a bad pick. But Dilly at 4 is not what the rankings say, so you are operating on your own rankings while I agree with the consensus top 4. That means the Spurs are most likely taking Castle or Sheppard, whichever is available.

My 5-10 is pretty similar to what Uriel posted:

5. Ron Holland
6. Nikola Topic
7. Matas Buzelis
8. Donovan Clingan
9. Rob Dillingham
10. Dalton Knecht

Mine:

5 Dillingham
6 Topic
7 Knecht
8 Cody Williams
9 Buzelis
10 Holland

So I just swap out Clingan for Williams and move Holland down, mainly. As my list is a SPURS list, not a consensus list. Also you can see I am actually higher on Dilly than the consensus, just don't have him over Castle/Sheppard. With that pair as my 3 and 5 rated players (castle/dilly), you can see why I'd love getting them.

The interesting part is who to pair which I have not really posted about, though I know others have.

#4 Castle, then in order any of my 5-10 except Topic. Topic being a pure PG, and both of them having suspect shooting, no thanks. Not to mention Castle wanting to play PG.
#4 Sheppard: we have a shooter so would not pair with Dilly or Knecht. My order then is Topic, Williams, Buzelis, Holland. It's pretty close between Topic and Williams though, since Sheppard likely gets a shot at PG, which makes Topic unneeded. Topic is such a great passer that he'd still be worth a shot though. If not, Williams/Buzelis are a really close call for me, since I like that Buzelis protects the rim but Williams has better length with his 7-1 wingspan.

In general though, we have a solid 8-10 players worth drafting at least, so you can't really mess this draft up heading in, only hindsight will tell.

I would run scenarios of taking Sarr, Risacher, and Dilly at the 4 also. The first two just in case, Dilly just to see how that may impact choices at 8.

By doing all that, the Spurs are sure to be even more confused than ever at what to do at pick 8 due to the excessive permutations, but at least they will most likely have their 4-pick nailed down ahead of time. Weird things I am alluding to include Clingan going top 3 or higher, and/or some other player(s) we are not expecting to currently.

[Eaglenole2002]

Would anyone trade 8 for Kispert? What vet could we target for 8?

[VBM]

Yall thankful for that win over Denver now

Yup. Bumped Denver into Minnesota's bracket and ended their bid for a repeat, thus eliminating an argument that could have been used in a Duncan/Jokic comparison. Now if ZR would have allowed us to move on from Sochan sooner (or at least help SA lowball him on his next contract), then I'd feel a little sad about it.

[exstatic]

DoD is con uously absent so far, but one thing I really took from him is the concept of coin flips. Each attribute that a player needs to develop to hit s om is a coin flip. If a player only needs one attribute, it’s 50%. Two attributes both popping is 25%. Three is 12.5%. Four is 6.25%. This is why I’m out on guys like Holland, and in on guys like Castle and Topic.

DoD has had some stances that I agree with, and some I absolutely did not. He did have these gems, though

16. Nikola Jokic: 6’11” C, Serbia, 19.4 yrs. DX: 42, ESPN: 31
His poor athleticism and speed make it fair to take his stats with a grain of salt, but based on his stats he appears to have a shot of becoming the best passing big man of all-time. That gives him a world of intrigue to me on its own.

5. Alperen Sengun, 6’9 PF, Turkey

Sengun is statistically the best player in the draft, as he dominated Turkey to win the MVP of a good professional league at age 18.

He fits an old school PF mold, but he wasn’t just a bruiser who scored in the post at an elite rate and reeled in rebounds. He also showed a promising stroke, making 79% FT with a nice looking shot that should eventually be developed into a + NBA 3 point shooter. And he showed point forward skills, with enough handle to occasionally score off the dribble from the perimeter, and good passing with more assists than turnovers.

Defensively he is highly enigmatic. He had a decent block rate in Turkey, in large part due to his propensity to hustle back for chasedown blocks. But he doesn’t have the reach or athleticism to be a rim protector, and his help defense is currently not particularly good as he makes odd decisions and often does not help when he should.

While he is an excellent offensive rebounder, on defense he does not rebound out of area particularly well and he is prone to taking bad angles on closeouts to result in getting beat off the dribble.

Arguably the greatest strength of his defense is his ability to defend the perimeter. He moves his feet decently well and has done reasonably well switched onto guards, and he certainly does not look like a lead footed Enes Kanter type big to say the least. He complements this with a strong steal rate for a big, as he reads the passing lanes well and is capable of getting deflections.

While his fundamentals and decision making need improvement, and he is not physically built to defend the rim, he does have potential guarding wings on the perimeter in the NBA. His mobility and athleticism seem decent enough, and his vision and instincts give him more sneaky potential on defense than you would expect from a slow footed power forward.

And if he eventually develops into a player who can pass, handle, shoot, and defend the perimeter, you are left with a big wing who happens to also be an elite garbageman and post scorer and can eat opposing wings alive in the paint.

The best comp for him would be Kevin Love with more perimeter skills, which would be a really awesome NBA player. There’s a good argument to be had that he is actually the 2nd best prospect in the draft, and everybody is overthinking his mold and sleeping on his sneaky ability to play on the perimeter.

DoD is also really in on Topic this year.

[DAF86]

I mean Scottie Barnes is that archetype and went top 5 a few drafts later. He won ROtY. It's not an exact science tbh.

Of course not, but for every of those guys that pan out, there are hundreds that don't.

Also, not all non-shooters are created equal. There are some that you can easily predict improving their shot despite poor % (Wemby, for example), and others that you just can't. I'm leaning more towards the latter with Castle.

[rjv]

DoD is con uously absent so far, but one thing I really took from him is the concept of coin flips. Each attribute that a player needs to develop to hit s om is a coin flip. If a player only needs one attribute, it’s 50%. Two attributes both popping is 25%. Three is 12.5%. Four is 6.25%. This is why I’m out on guys like Holland, and in on guys like Castle and Topic.

DoD has had some stances that I agree with, and some I absolutely did not. He did have these gems, though

16. Nikola Jokic: 6’11” C, Serbia, 19.4 yrs. DX: 42, ESPN: 31
His poor athleticism and speed make it fair to take his stats with a grain of salt, but based on his stats he appears to have a shot of becoming the best passing big man of all-time. That gives him a world of intrigue to me on its own.

5. Alperen Sengun, 6’9 PF, Turkey

Sengun is statistically the best player in the draft, as he dominated Turkey to win the MVP of a good professional league at age 18.

He fits an old school PF mold, but he wasn’t just a bruiser who scored in the post at an elite rate and reeled in rebounds. He also showed a promising stroke, making 79% FT with a nice looking shot that should eventually be developed into a + NBA 3 point shooter. And he showed point forward skills, with enough handle to occasionally score off the dribble from the perimeter, and good passing with more assists than turnovers.

Defensively he is highly enigmatic. He had a decent block rate in Turkey, in large part due to his propensity to hustle back for chasedown blocks. But he doesn’t have the reach or athleticism to be a rim protector, and his help defense is currently not particularly good as he makes odd decisions and often does not help when he should.

While he is an excellent offensive rebounder, on defense he does not rebound out of area particularly well and he is prone to taking bad angles on closeouts to result in getting beat off the dribble.

Arguably the greatest strength of his defense is his ability to defend the perimeter. He moves his feet decently well and has done reasonably well switched onto guards, and he certainly does not look like a lead footed Enes Kanter type big to say the least. He complements this with a strong steal rate for a big, as he reads the passing lanes well and is capable of getting deflections.

While his fundamentals and decision making need improvement, and he is not physically built to defend the rim, he does have potential guarding wings on the perimeter in the NBA. His mobility and athleticism seem decent enough, and his vision and instincts give him more sneaky potential on defense than you would expect from a slow footed power forward.

And if he eventually develops into a player who can pass, handle, shoot, and defend the perimeter, you are left with a big wing who happens to also be an elite garbageman and post scorer and can eat opposing wings alive in the paint.

The best comp for him would be Kevin Love with more perimeter skills, which would be a really awesome NBA player. There’s a good argument to be had that he is actually the 2nd best prospect in the draft, and everybody is overthinking his mold and sleeping on his sneaky ability to play on the perimeter.

DoD is also really in on Topic this year.

Good stuff; his take on Wemby was pretty mid though.

[LeBowen]

Of course not, but for every of those guys that pan out, there are hundreds that don't.

That applies to every position.

Also, not all non-shooters are created equal. There are some that you can easily predict improving their shot despite poor % (Wemby, for example), and others that you just can't. I'm leaning more towards the latter with Castle.

Then you have players like Dejounte that come into the league without anything that resembles a jumpshot. His shot was worse than Jeremy's in his rookie season and he managed to develop it.

We can't do much except talk whataboutisms at this point. This is where front office people earn their paychecks. It takes a lot of knowledge to properly evaluate young players and their potential development.
With that being said, quality of our front office right now is questionable.

[scott]

Good stuff; his take on Wemby was pretty mid though.

IIRC, he was adamant that the Spurs should try to trade the rights to draft Wemby to ORL for Banchero and Wagner. I recall him also saying Sarr was the better young French prospect. Dean is just a degenerate gambler, who is right sometimes and wrong sometimes. Just another datapoint, not really worth weighting any more or any less than others.

[Mugen]

Of course not, but for every of those guys that pan out, there are hundreds that don't.

Also, not all non-shooters are created equal. There are some that you can easily predict improving their shot despite poor % (Wemby, for example), and others that you just can't. I'm leaning more towards the latter with Castle.

I'm not 100% sold on Castle as the 4th pick but I'm cautiously optimistic that the shot can be fixed. Basing that mostly on how his form looks and upward trend of his FT%.

Like it doesn't look fundamentally broken a la MKG or Amen Thompson from last year. It looks better than Sochan's coming out of college and frankly even SDSU Kawhi tbh.

I can honestly see a path to him being an average outside shooter. If he was already that then he's the consensus #1 pick IMO.

[rjv]

IIRC, he was adamant that the Spurs should try to trade the rights to draft Wemby to ORL for Banchero and Wagner. I recall him also saying Sarr was the better young French prospect. Dean is just a degenerate gambler, who is right sometimes and wrong sometimes. Just another datapoint, not really worth weighting any more or any less than others.

i also found his take on scoot and he compared henderson to a "slightly better version of De'Aaron Fox." dean was also pretty high on grady .

[exstatic]

Good stuff; his take on Wemby was pretty mid though.

Yeah, like I said, some of his opinions are terrible. He gave the Spurs a C,because they didn’t explore trading the pick. . His analytics based stuff is pretty good, for the most part.

[mo7888]

IIRC, he was adamant that the Spurs should try to trade the rights to draft Wemby to ORL for Banchero and Wagner. I recall him also saying Sarr was the better young French prospect. Dean is just a degenerate gambler, who is right sometimes and wrong sometimes. Just another datapoint, not really worth weighting any more or any less than others.

I weigh him a little less than some others. Your analysis is about where I am on him. To me he comes up with some interesting perspectives here and there, but that's about it...

[Mugen]

My updated Big Board tbh

1	Risacher
2	Sarr
3	Sheppard
4	Castle
5	Dillingham
6	Saluan
7	Topic
8	Devin Carter
9	Knecht
10	Buzelis

[Mr. Body]

Man the Charlotte Hornets fanbase is on fire. There's only been ten days since anyone has posted on their subreddit anythingabout the draft.

[timtonymanu]

What's funny is this team went to get shooters and the fanbase despises the players they got - Forbes and McDermott. , most of them hate Patty Mills.

Just got to understand most of this fanbase is clinically insane and not worth more than a laugh.

Lol all in on Josh primo. Just off this website already, you hypocrite.