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I heard on ESPN radio about 30 minutes ago they'll be canceling another two weeks in the morning. Doesn't sound like anyone is softening up their stances, or even talking to one another for that matter.
Thanks for the update, haven't heard 7 before.
By accepting a 50/50 split, the players would be losing about $2.2 billion over a 7 year deal. They already lost the $2 billion. They lost even more than $2 billion.
So for that kind of money, I would expect they want to at least get something better on the system side.
I agree with this. When the owners soften up the stance a bit and Hunter has something he can take to the players for a vote that he knows will pass, this will end. The owners aren't there yet. I think Stern will take them there sooner or later.
I heard on ESPN radio about 30 minutes ago they'll be canceling another two weeks in the morning. Doesn't sound like anyone is softening up their stances, or even talking to one another for that matter.
Unless something unexpected happens, the lockout will be at least 2 more months long. Players and/or owners have no reason to make concessions without a deadline threaten them. The next deadline will be in January when the whole season will be threatened.
And yes, that's very ugly.
This thread makes my head hurt.
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/e...48484/32918768
If you can't agree on a new CBA, just do a league without a CBA or more realistically with a very light one.Hunter said that during last week's long negotiations there were multiple ideas presented, with one interesting concept coming from Mavericks owner Mark Cuban. Hunter said Cuban came up with a structure called the "Game-changer" that included no salary cap. Hunter said he took that back to the players and they had a version of it they liked and then Hunter said two or three owners were very excited about it. And then a couple small market owners put the kibosh on it.
More on Cuban's proposal on this Bill Simmons podcast with Hunter yesterday. Some interesting stuff there, including Cuban's idea:
http://cdn16.castfire.com/audio/303/...3Fid%3D2864045
ElNono, Bruno, andTD21 I've enjoyed your insights into this sad state of affairs. Thanks.. After listening to Mr. Hunter on Simmon's B.S. Report, I'm even more convinced we won't be watching NBA basketball this season. As Hunter says, the owners are much more dug-in than 98-99, and the players are acting on "principle" at this point. Neither of them truly cares about all the folks who are out of a job or, least of all, the fans. I keep hoping for a miracle, but don't see it happening.
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More games cancelled:
http://newsone.com/entertainment/spo...wo-more-weeks/
The New York Daily News is reporting that the NBA has canceled another 2 weeks of its season on the heels of more failed negotiations between the players union and the owners
The month of November has now been canceled, and players can now only look forward to returning to the hardwood in December.
According to the Daily News’ source, this latest cancellation would total at least 102 games and run through Nov. 28.
This is actually starting to bum me out. At first, I was pissed about the whole thing but now I just really wanna see my Spurs play. Yeah, the chances of there being any 2011-2012 season are slim, but I hope we get a season in January at least.
It's done, stopped worrying about a season a while back. Basketball is dead.
Just read on RealGM that the sides are scheduled to meet tomorrow and that the last two weeks of November haven't officially been cancelled yet:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...gain_Wednesday
Here's to another useless meeting where both sides end the meeting pissed off and saying they're far apart.
Hopefully my vBookie jinx will work its usual magic.
Owners have had a new meeting about revenue sharing yesterday. Maybe they have advance on that subject and are ready to make a better offer to players.
That's the positive way to look at it but a most realistic way would be that this meeting is just another PR bull . The league and the union want to make fans believe that they are working hard on trying to get a new deal.
About the owners revenue sharing meeting:
"A few of our owners," Silver told reporters at the time, "remarked after the robust revenue discussion last night that we might want the assistant of the federal mediator for our revenue sharing discussions, as well."
Silver also has cautioned that revenue-sharing talks have "in no way" impeded progress in talks with the players. But evidently the union disagrees.
NBA players' union executive director Billy Hunter told Grantland's Bill Simmons on Monday that "there appears to be some impediment" in talks with the NBA, adding, "I think revenue sharing is the elephant in the room right now."
owners need a federal mediator to discuss amongst themselves. Just a sad state of affairs, overall.
That's a good news.
One week ago, I wrote:
This revenue sharing issue must be solved first. Once it's solved, the agreement between players and owners will be way easier to find.There aren't 2 sides in this conflict, there are 3 sides:
- The players: they want a players friendly CBA.
- The big market owners: they don't really care about the CBA, they just don't want to give money to small market teams.
- The small market owners: they either want to get some money from big markets or to get a team friendly CBA.
I'm all for new talks with the federal mediator except that it must be this time between small market and big market owners.
revenue sharing is an elephant in the room?
RS, aka We Want More Money, has been the obvious, overwhelmingly central, deal-breaker from day one.
I was just shaking my head when I read that. How the do they expect to sit down with the players and come to some sort of agreement when they can't even agree about what they want from each other?
Excellent article here:::
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/stor...re-50-50-split
David Stern and his billionaire boys club thought they scored a ton of common-sense points when they made their take-it-or-leave-it offer to the NBA players, and let's face it:
Is there anything more reasonable, more equitable or more American than a 50-50 split?
It sure sounds like a fair place for two hostile opponents to meet. Half the basketball-related income goes to the owners, half the basketball-related income goes to the players and millions of pro basketball fans celebrate their first victory of the season in the form of, you know, a season.
NBA Lockout
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But in the end, there's nothing fair about awarding 50 percent of BRI to the people who amount to 100 percent of the reason there's any BRI in the first place.
LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Dirk Nowitzki, Dwyane Wade, Kevin Durant, Derrick Rose -- they don't play in the NBA. They are the NBA.
The entire league. The workforce and the product.
The owners? They're just along for the ride.
"What I'm always telling the players," Billy Hunter, executive director of the National Basketball Players Association, said Tuesday night, "is that nobody comes to see an owner bounce or shoot a basketball."
The owners assume 100% of the financial risk.
FYI, I didn't say it, Plots. It's from the article.
Make that 90%... us taxpayers are on the hook too...
Bingo Baby!! Ploto hit it right on the nose.
Without the owners putting up their risk and capital, there's no NBA. If the players really and truly believe the league is all theirs, they're free to go form their own league. They won't. Why? They're not willing to put up their own risk and money. Pure and simple.
Long after Lebron, Dwade, Kobe, et al are gone and retired there will still be an NBA because the owners will continue to run and operate THEIR business.
Greedy Bas s!! Accept the 50/50 precondition and let's finish this deal!
"We're inching closer to a deal," one person briefed on the talks told CBSSports.com on Wednesday.
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