***** The Official 2015 Avante Football Thread *****

[pgardn]

I never screw up, ya see I do my homework.

In 1946 "Slingin' " Sammy Baugh completed 70% of his passes and he ended up with a 109.9 rating. Yep, as usual you're wrong yet again.

Let me put it like this....

I grew up watching...

Redskins...Sonnny Jurgenson HOF
Eagles...Norm Snead
Bears...Bill Wade
Steelers...Bill Nelson
Browns...Frank Ryan
Niners...John Brodie
Colts...John Unitas HOF
Packers...Bart Starr HOF
Cowboys...Don Meredith
Lions...Milt Plum
Vikings...Fran Tarkenton HOF
Cards..Charley Johnson
Rams...Roman Gabreil
Giants....Y.A. tle HOF
Oilers...George Blanda HOF....also kicked.
Bills...Jack Kemp
Patriots...Babe Parilli
Jets...Joe Namath HOF
Chiefs...Len Dawson HOF
Raiders...Darly Lamonica
Broncos...Frank Tripucka
Chargers...Tobin Rote

...and everyone who came later. The best 4 year QB I've seen.....Russell Wilson. I've never seen a young QB do the things he can do. And neither has anyone else here. They are seeing something real special but are too damn stupid to realize it.

Let's take Drew Brees for another example, trust me (ya can Google it) his first 4 seasons, not even in the same time zone as RW's.

I'm telling ya, RW can hang with anyone if talking the start of an NFL career, I can't find anyone who did it better if we take everything into consideration.

Go ahead give me the name of a guy who had a better first 4 seasons? , Tom Brady was a back up, as was Aaron Rodgers. Who came in and played in 74 games in a 4 season span, yep....nobody. Going 53-21. Going 7-3 in the playoffs.

1946.... Did you see him play as well?

One example from a year right after the war?
You are a lunatic.

Are conditions better for QB ratings better now, or when Unitas played?
You are in denial. Stick to the issue. You made a craptastic comparison between very different football eras.

[Avante]

1946.... Did you see him play as well?

One example from a year right after the war?
You are a lunatic.

Are conditions better for QB ratings better now, or when Unitas played?
You are in denial. Stick to the issue. You made a craptastic comparison between very different football eras.

A lunatic totally ignores the caliber of athletes involved in todays game vs back then. The defenses that these QB's face today on a whole/totally different level than what Unitas faced. And if ya understood the game you'd know this.

Willie Davis was a monster D lineman for those Lombardi Packers, he's in the HOF all 245 pounds of him. Art Donovan who played on the Colts was another HOF D tackle, at 265 pounds. Dude, you really don't get the obvious?

The fastest cornerback in football back then was Lenny Lyles, a Colt. He was a 9.6 sprinter for Louisville, that's about a 10.50 100m. Deion Sanders ran a 10.23, Darrell Green a 10.08.

Russell Wilson faces a whole other level of athletes than what those old timers faced. You don't know this?

Take a seat son....ok?

Rookies....sheesh~~~

[Avante]

THERE IS A GOD~~~~~~~~~~

It's looking like the Seahawks will be letting BEASTMODE go, all us Niner fans ....YIPPEEEE!!!!!!!!! That's it for Seattle, he was the team.


Hahahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[pgardn]

A lunatic totally ignores the caliber of athletes involved in todays game vs back then. The defenses that these QB's face today on a whole/totally different level than what Unitas faced. And if ya understood the game you'd know this.

Willie Davis was a monster D lineman for those Lombardi Packers, he's in the HOF all 245 pounds of him. Art Donovan who played on the Colts was another HOF D tackle, at 265 pounds. Dude, you really don't get the obvious?

The fastest cornerback in football back then was Lenny Lyles, a Colt. He was a 9.6 sprinter for Louisville, that's about a 10.50 100m. Deion Sanders ran a 10.23, Darrell Green a 10.08.

Russell Wilson faces a whole other level of athletes than what those old timers faced. You don't know this?

Take a seat son....ok?

Rookies....sheesh~~~

The above has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I am saying about your assertion on QB ratings.

Now again, answer the question.
In which era is it easier to get a high QB rating? Since you think the NFL was a passing league in the 40s thru 60s that could be compared to today's passing.

Try to answer the question and quit purposely straying (as portrayed by your quite obvious contentions that have nothing to do with my question)

[Avante]

The above has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I am saying about your assertion on QB ratings.

Now again, answer the question.
In which era is it easier to get a high QB rating? Since you think the NFL was a passing league in the 40s thru 60s that could be compared to today's passing.

Try to answer the question and quit purposely straying (as portrayed by your quite obvious contentions that have nothing to do with my question)

Until you stop ignoring the fact these QB's today face far FAR better defenses you are wasting my time. Do you understand how fast these guys today have to get rid of the ball compared to back in the day....well?

Why do you think I'm so high on RW, could it because I have seen them all since Unitas? No way in Johhny U could play today, none.

Now talk to me about the differences in defences, ok? Stop ignoring the most important aspect of this....got it?


Fran Tarkenton could run around in circles for a good 5 seconds back then, no way he's doing that today.

Stupid, John Unitas played on an offense with 4 other HOFers, ok? He had the great Ray Berry, the great John Mackey and the great Lenny Moore, I know I know, ya don't get it.

[pgardn]

Until you stop ignoring the fact these QB's today face far FAR better defenses you are wasting my time. Do you understand how fast these guys today have to get rid of the ball compared to back in the day....well?

Why do you think I'm so high on RW, could it because I have seen them all since Unitas? No way in Johhny U could play today, none.

Now talk to me about the differences in defences, ok? Stop ignoring the most important aspect of this....got it?


Fran Tarkenton could run around in circles for a good 5 seconds back then, no way he's doing that today.

Stupid, John Unitas played on an offense with 4 other HOFers, ok? He had the great Ray Berry, the great John Mackey and the great Lenny Moore, I know I know, ya don't get it.

Try to focus.

QB ratings today vs. old timers.
Of course Ds are better today but so are the offenses and taking care of blitzes.
And I don't give a about Johnny U and you watching him.


So focus.
No gloves.
Huge wet muddy balls (no, not your testicles after a go with Moma hog in the slop)
Horrible equipment inhibiting throwing and catching (shoulder pads especially)

Do you get it? Now retract your silliness you old barnacle.

[Avante]

Try to focus.

QB ratings today vs. old timers.
Of course Ds are better today but so are the offenses and taking care of blitzes.
And I don't give a about Johnny U and you watching him.


So focus.
No gloves.
Huge wet muddy balls (no, not your testicles after a go with Moma hog in the slop)
Horrible equipment inhibiting throwing and catching (shoulder pads especially)

Do you get it? Now retract your silliness you old barnacle.

With each post ya get dumber and dumber, wow~~~~

Stupid why do you stuggle with this so badly? Those old timers had far more time to throw, ok dummy?

Being an idiot ya can't seem to figure out the differences between a guy like me who actually saw all that and a punk like you who only read about it.

RW has had a better first 4 seasons than anyone, why fight it?

[Avante]

While in HS he ran a 20.14 the second fastest 200m in history for a HS kid. Then off to Oklahoma State where he won the BIGI12 indoor 60, he also plays football.



Then he got in a fight with his girlfriend, it got ugly. He was kicked off the track/footbal teams. Then he just...poof~~~~

Now he's at Weatern Alabams a D-II school. He runs a 4.26 40.

Remember this name...Tyreek Hill.

[pgardn]

With each post ya get dumber and dumber, wow~~~~

Stupid why do you stuggle with this so badly? Those old timers had far more time to throw, ok dummy?

Yes.

And the Defense could sit and wait because it was so difficult to throw the damn ball and catch it.
There is no way they could throw an oversized wet muddy ball in a tight spiral, they threw a whole lot of wounded birds.

Why don't you tell us about the history of the football itself?

The changes in size and materials?
Go.

[Avante]

Yes.

And the Defense could sit and wait because it was so difficult to throw the damn ball and catch it.
There is no way they could throw an oversized wet muddy ball in a tight spiral, they threw a whole lot of wounded birds.

Why don't you tell us about the history of the football itself?

The changes in size and materials?
Go.

Dummy, why ignore Don Hutson catching 74 passes in 1942?

Give it up, you're looking really bad guy, ok?

Ok, moving on you're boring me now.

[Avante]

When I buy my NFL franchise (central Cali Comets) I'm going to run a three TE offense. One speed receiver and a big back (TE can also play the position)

The use of that...too big for a DB, too fast for a LB, works. So why not maximise it? The Pats had it going with Gronk/Hernandez. Like a big back these TE 's wear down a defense, CB's want no part of a big TE.

I'd go with six TE's, two big backs and three speed receivers. Everything built around getting my TE's involved.

[pgardn]

Dummy, why ignore Don Hutson catching 74 passes in 1942?

Give it up, you're looking really bad guy, ok?

Ok, moving on you're boring me now.

74... You are bored because your whole premise of using QB ratings in the dark ages for comparison has blown up in your face.

When did the first player go over 100?
And how many times since and what years?

Tell us how the evolution of the football itself aided the passing game.
You won't, because you don't know .

[Avante]

74... You are bored because your whole premise of using QB ratings in the dark ages for comparison has blown up in your face.

When did the first player go over 100?
And how many times since and what years?

Tell us how the evolution of the football itself aided the passing game.
You won't, because you don't know .

Wrong as usual.

Prior to 1965, we had 15 seasons where some receiver caught over 70 passes.

Stupid, the first 100 reception season was Lionel Taylor in 1961, in 1964 Charley Hennigan had 101.

What are you re ed? The ball?...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Little man prior to 1955, we had...

74
66..twice
77
84
63

reception seasons.

Damn you're dumb.

[pgardn]

Wrong as usual.

Prior to 1965, we had 15 seasons where some receiver caught over 70 passes.

Stupid, the first 100 reception season was Lionel Taylor in 1961, in 1964 Charley Hennigan had 101.

What are you re ed? The ball?...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Little man prior to 1955, we had...

74
66..twice
77
84
63

reception seasons.

Damn you're dumb.

Now go modern day with 100 catches and compare ya damn illogical fool.
You don't just mention your old data and stop. Quit being such a disingenuous crusty bat fart.

And tell the board how a football has changed and why it is easier to throw now.

[Avante]

Now go modern day with 100 catches and compare ya damn illogical fool.
You don't just mention your old data and stop. Quit being such a disingenuous crusty bat fart.

And tell the board how a football has changed and why it is easier to throw now.

As you see just how wrong ya were and feel stupid.

Stupid, a 100 receptions season in 1961.....comment on that little fella, ok? Don't just ramble on and on ignoring it.

What about that slick, well?

Damn you're dumb.

Footballs.....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bottom line ya dumb is that RW is the best 4 year QB we have seen. And we can start with "Slingin' " Sammy Baugh, Otto Graham, John Unitas, Roger Staubach, Joe Montana, John Elway, Peyton Manning....etc...it doesn't matter. And stop ignoring wins and playoff success.......ok rookie? And, I haven't even mentioned the HUGE difference in RW's running ability.

[pgardn]

As you see just how wrong ya were and feel stupid.

Stupid, a 100 receptions season in 1961.....comment on that little fella, ok? Don't just ramble on and on ignoring it.

What about that slick, well?

Damn you're dumb.

Footballs.....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its not at all surprising you old toad. Good for you, now complete the task.

do modern day over 100 catches and compare.

And then tell the board how the changes in the football itself has aided the modern passing game.
Im not leaving you alone on this one till you rub your face in its stupidity.

[Avante]

Its not at all surprising you old toad. Good for you, now complete the task.

do modern day over 100 catches and compare.

And then tell the board how the changes in the football itself has aided the modern passing game.
Im not leaving you alone on this one till you rub your face in its stupidity.

Dummy they played 12-14 games schedules back then, ok stupid?

Trust me little fella you are too damn dumb to do anything, ok?

So they were catching 100 passes some 50 years ago with an inferior football....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You saw yourself taking a beating so now it's footballs, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

[pgardn]

Dummy they played 12-14 games schedules back then, ok stupid?

Trust me little fella you are too damn dumb to do anything, ok?

So they were catching 100 passes some 50 years ago with an inferior football....hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You saw yourself taking a beating so now it's footballs, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

In the past 15 years The league has not failed to produce a 100 reception season and had multiples numerous times.

Adjust these numbers for your 14 game schedule you fool.

2015 - Antonio Brown 136
Julio Jones 136
2014- Antonio Brown 129

And These are just the last two seasons and don't even show all the 100 reception receivers.

You are a total and utter fool.

They were catching, they were catching? Two players

You our bragged on the great 74 reception season. Adjust that to 143 by Marvin Harrison!

[Avante]

In the past 15 years The league has not failed to produce a 100 reception season and had multiples numerous times.

Adjust these numbers for your 14 game schedule you fool.

2015 - Antonio Brown 136
Julio Jones 136
2014- Antonio Brown 129

And These are just the last two seasons and don't even show all the 100 reception receivers.

You are a total and utter fool.

No tell me dummy how many times did RW throw the ball in his first 4 seasons.....well? What ya want to do ya stupid is look at what RW did vs those old timers, ok?

You're getting off the subject stupid.

There is no doubt they ran more back then but when they did throw they could....ok dummy?


In 1961, Johnny U threw 420 passes, he had a 54.5 comp %, 16/24 TD/INT, and a 66.1 QB rating.

In 2013, RW threw the ball 407 times, he completed 63.1, 26/9 and a 101.2 QB rating, let me guess ya don't get it.

[pgardn]

No tell me dummy how many times did RW throw the ball in his first 4 seasons.....well? What ya want to do ya stupid is look at what RW did vs those old timers, ok?

You're getting off the subject stupid.

There is no doubt they ran more back then buy when they did throw they could....ok dummy?

You were the idiot that tried to compare QB ratings present to past with the idiotic Johnny Unitas post.
That is MY comment that YOU attempted to brush aside.

OF COURSE THEY RAN MORE. Passing was terribly difficult as I stated. You said they had all day to throw the ball? So what happened to that excuse. If you can't throw the ball with velocity it does not matter, the defense can easily cover the entire field with a QB throwing flutter balls with a big wet muddy football.

Just admit you were wrong and move on. Passing, in the years you used to compare to present day, was very difficult.

[pgardn]

No tell me dummy how many times did RW throw the ball in his first 4 seasons.....well? What ya want to do ya stupid is look at what RW did vs those old timers, ok?

You're getting off the subject stupid.

There is no doubt they ran more back then but when they did throw they could....ok dummy?


In 1961, Johnny U threw 420 passes, he had a 54.5 comp %, 16/24 TD/INT, and a 66.1 QB rating.

In 2013, RW threw the ball 407 times, he completed 63.1, 26/9 and a 101.2 QB rating, let me guess ya don't get it.

So why did RW throw the ball so FEW TIMES and with such accuracy?

Here we go again. Avante trying to distort and now you are going to ruin your ENTIRE argument.

[Avante]

You were the idiot that tried to compare QB ratings present to past with the idiotic Johnny Unitas post.
That is MY comment that YOU attempted to brush aside.

OF COURSE THEY RAN MORE. Passing was terribly difficult as I stated. You said they had all day to throw the ball? So what happened to that excuse. If you can't throw the ball with velocity it does not matter, the defense can easily cover the entire field with a QB throwing flutter balls with a big wet muddy football.

Just admit you were wrong and move on. Passing, in the years you used to compare to present day, was very difficult.

No it wasn't are you really that dense?

Dude, where are you coming up with all this total bull at? You do know guys like Fran Tarkenton, Unitas, Jurgenson had better stats than some of these guys today......right? Let me guess ya don't know that.....either.

I'm about ready to dump your dumb ass amigo, ok? I do have compassionate for little dumb s, ya know.

[pgardn]

No it wasn't are you really that dense?

Dude, where are you coming up with all this total bull at? You do know guys like Fran Tarkenton, Unitas, Jurgenson had better stats than some of these guys today......right? Let me guess ya don't know that.....either.

I'm about ready to dump your dumb ass amigo, ok? I do have compassionate for little dumb s, ya know.

RW and Seattle had the FEWEST pass attempts in 2013.

Why?

Here we go. Ready for the bashing.

[Avante]

So why did RW throw the ball so FEW TIMES and with such accuracy?

Here we go again. Avante trying to distort and now you are going to ruin your ENTIRE argument.

I'm not distorting anything.

Simply compare what John Unitas accomplished in his first 4 seasons vs what RW has done..........BINGO~~~~~ Why you don't get that is pretty obvious, you're an idiot.

[Avante]

RW and Seattle had the FEWEST pass attempts in 2013.

Why?

Here we go. Ready for the bashing.

Dude, how you still typing? You are so badly beat up I'd think you'd take a break, wipe the blood off.