Active shooter in Las Vegas

[TSA]

So do nothing.

Done.

Feels good.

Older men, who make up the largest share of gun suicides, need better access to people who could care for them and get them help. Women endangered by specific men need to be prioritized by police, who can enforce restraining orders prohibiting these men from buying and owning guns. Younger men at risk of violence need to be identified before they take a life or lose theirs and to be connected to mentors who can help them de-escalate conflicts.

Even the most data-driven practices, such as New Orleans’ plan to identify gang members for intervention based on previous arrests and weapons seizures, wind up more personal than most policies floated. The young men at risk can be identified by an algorithm, but they have to be disarmed one by one, personally — not en masse as though they were all interchangeable. A reduction in gun deaths is most likely to come from finding smaller chances for victories and expanding those solutions as much as possible. We save lives by focusing on a range of tactics to protect the different kinds of potential victims and reforming potential killers, not from sweeping bans focused on the guns themselves.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.312c38727daa


New Orleans Searches For The Truth

By Ben Casselman

Cities have made great strides in reducing murders of young men. The next step will be much harder.


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...n-new-orleans/

[rjv]

I used to think gun control was the answer. My research told me otherwise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.9edf9c383f48

Leah Libresco is a statistician and former newswriter at FiveThirtyEight, a data journalism site. She is the author of “Arriving at Amen.”

Before I started researching gun deaths, gun-control policy used to frustrate me. I wished the National Rifle Association would stop blocking common-sense gun-control reforms such as banning assault weapons, restricting silencers, shrinking magazine sizes and all the other measures that could make guns less deadly.

Then, my colleagues and I at FiveThirtyEight spent three months analyzing all 33,000 lives ended by guns each year in the United States, and I wound up frustrated in a whole new way. We looked at what interventions might have saved those people, and the case for the policies I’d lobbied for crumbled when I examined the evidence. The best ideas left standing were narrowly tailored interventions to protect subtypes of potential victims, not broad attempts to limit the lethality of guns.

I researched the strictly tightened gun laws in Britain and Australia and concluded that they didn’t prove much about what America’s policy should be. Neither nation experienced drops in mass shootings or other gun related-crime that could be attributed to their buybacks and bans. Mass shootings were too rare in Australia for their absence after the buyback program to be clear evidence of progress. And in both Australia and Britain, the gun restrictions had an ambiguous effect on other gun-related crimes or deaths.

research at link

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...ass-shootings/

while this is an appropriate analysis of the gun-control proponents anecdotal reasoning for restrictions, it is also not a definitive argument for those who oppose gun control. The fact is that both sides ultimately have to rely upon Bayesian probablity, anecdotal evidence and subjectivism. As a result, we are left with incomplete conclusions that are often littered with the debris of cherry-picking and specious reasoning.

[TSA]

So do nothing.

Done.

Feels good.

What have you done in the 3 days since the Vegas shooting to get bumpfire stocks banned? ing about them on Spurstalk does not count for anything.

[Pavlov]

Older men, who make up the largest share of gun suicides, need better access to people who could care for them and get them help. Women endangered by specific men need to be prioritized by police, who can enforce restraining orders prohibiting these men from buying and owning guns. Younger men at risk of violence need to be identified before they take a life or lose theirs and to be connected to mentors who can help them de-escalate conflicts.

Even the most data-driven practices, such as New Orleans’ plan to identify gang members for intervention based on previous arrests and weapons seizures, wind up more personal than most policies floated. The young men at risk can be identified by an algorithm, but they have to be disarmed one by one, personally — not en masse as though they were all interchangeable. A reduction in gun deaths is most likely to come from finding smaller chances for victories and expanding those solutions as much as possible. We save lives by focusing on a range of tactics to protect the different kinds of potential victims and reforming potential killers, not from sweeping bans focused on the guns themselves.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.312c38727daa


New Orleans Searches For The Truth

By Ben Casselman

Cities have made great strides in reducing murders of young men. The next step will be much harder.


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...n-new-orleans/

So do nothing to muh guns and hope someone else does something that does nothing to muh guns.

Done.

Feels good.

[Pavlov]

What have you done in the 3 days since the Vegas shooting to get bumpfire stocks banned? ing about them on Spurstalk does not count for anything.

I have done everything you want done about gun violence in the US.

Which is nothing.

[DarrinS]

You ban those bumpfire stocks and people will just make their own, tbh.

[Pavlov]

No bans on anything. Laws everywhere should be just like the laws in Nevada. Everything worked out fine there.

[spurraider21]

so where do you go to check facts
cnn.com?
rawstory.com?

If your fact makes a claim about Switzerlands laws I would look into their legal code. Or articles about their gun legislation.

Basically anything that isn't a meme or Facebook post really

You can Google and look around. There's a full Wikipedia entry on it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland

How about this ducks. Show me a any source that verifies your claim that Switzerland requires everyone to own a gun. You choose the source

[Pavlov]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...n-new-orleans/

Also, what happened?

[TSA]

Also, what happened?

The strategies seemed to work, at least at first. Murders fell from 200 in 2011, the year before NOLA for Life began, to 193 in 2012, to 150 in 2014. Total shootings, which many experts consider a better measure of street crime, also fell. A 2015 study by University of Cincinnati criminologists Nicholas Corsaro and Robin Engel attributed the declines to the call-ins, indictments and related strategies.

Murders rose in 2015, however, and although they are down so far in 2016, shootings are up slightly. New Orleans hasn’t yet achieved as dramatic a decline in murder as those experienced by Boston and some other cities.

Landrieu and his critics disagree over why progress has slowed. But Corsaro said that at some point, a leveling off was inevitable. The combination of call-ins and indictments succeeded in taking some of the city’s most violent offenders off the streets, or perhaps of convincing others to reform. But such strategies can only achieve so much.

“There is a diminishing return,” Corsaro said. “There has to be. If you’ve got a small percentage of gang members that are driving your violence and you focus on them and they go away for whatever reason … then you’re going to hit a ceiling.”

[Pavlov]

The strategies seemed to work, at least at first. Murders fell from 200 in 2011, the year before NOLA for Life began, to 193 in 2012, to 150 in 2014. Total shootings, which many experts consider a better measure of street crime, also fell. A 2015 study by University of Cincinnati criminologists Nicholas Corsaro and Robin Engel attributed the declines to the call-ins, indictments and related strategies.

Murders rose in 2015, however, and although they are down so far in 2016, shootings are up slightly. New Orleans hasn’t yet achieved as dramatic a decline in murder as those experienced by Boston and some other cities.

Landrieu and his critics disagree over why progress has slowed. But Corsaro said that at some point, a leveling off was inevitable. The combination of call-ins and indictments succeeded in taking some of the city’s most violent offenders off the streets, or perhaps of convincing others to reform. But such strategies can only achieve so much.

“There is a diminishing return,” Corsaro said. “There has to be. If you’ve got a small percentage of gang members that are driving your violence and you focus on them and they go away for whatever reason … then you’re going to hit a ceiling.”

Yeah, what happened after that story?

[TSA]

I have done everything you want done about gun violence in the US.

Which is nothing.

you should spend less time online pretending to care about issues you admit to doing nothing about.
log off of spurstalk and actually do something about. You are pathetic.

[Pavlov]

you should spend less time online pretending to care about issues you admit to doing nothing about.
log off of spurstalk and actually do something about. You are pathetic.

Don't get angry with me. I'm doing exactly what you want me to about gun laws.

Nothing.

All your whining worked.

[boutons_deux]

No matter what is proposed, legislative/judicial s to BigGun/NRA will block it.

There are solutions to reduce gun ownersheip, increase owner responsiblity and accountability, but the oligarchy pays the legislative/judicial s so it can flood, will continue to flood USA with guns and ammo for profit.

As O'Reilly said, the LV massacre proves America is a free country, is nothing but the price of freedom.

[spurraider21]

you should spend less time online pretending to care about issues you admit to doing nothing about.
log off of spurstalk and actually do something about. You are pathetic.

What have you done to stop clinton podesta pedo ring after learning about it

[Pavlov]

What have you done to stop clinton podesta pedo ring after learning about it

[clambake]

What have you done to stop clinton podesta pedo ring after learning about it

these things take time.


he's following the dough.

[TSA]

What have you done to stop clinton podesta pedo ring after learning about it

You can't stop something that was never proven to have been started in the first place.

[TSA]

Don't get angry with me. I'm doing exactly what you want me to about gun laws.

Nothing.

All your whining worked.

I'm not angry in the least bit and I've whined about nothing. I'm laughing at how pathetic your admission was. You were called out for not doing to further a cause you "believed" in and you admitted to doing nothing about it. You are the worst type of fraud.

[Pavlov]

You can't stop something that was never proven to have been started in the first place.

This could be the biggest walkback in message board history.

I'm not angry in the least bit and I've whined about nothing. I'm laughing at how pathetic your admission was. You were called out for not doing to further a cause you "believed" in and you admitted to doing nothing about it. You are the worst type of fraud.

Your whining convinced me to do nothing to touch your guns or mods. You told me they were fun so all the past and future deaths of all the schoolchildren and concert goers will be worth it.

Be happy.

[RandomGuy]

Heard an interesting theory from a guy who was familiar with drug-induced psychotic breaks, who says that the Las Vegas shooter may have had one, i.e. a reaction to a medication. It tends to be sudden, hard to spot, and keeps a lot of basic personality traits intact, such as an accountants, methodical, thorough planning.

Be interesting to see the coroners report.

[RandomGuy]

I'm not angry in the least bit and I've whined about nothing. I'm laughing at how pathetic your admission was. You were called out for not doing to further a cause you "believed" in and you admitted to doing nothing about it. You are the worst type of fraud.

It is Mueller time yet? How's that Clinton investigation going?

[Pavlov]

I just asked Lyin' Ted and No-Wall McCaul what their positions are on bump stocks are now that the NRA gave them some breathing room. I admit it's not as sexy as a Deadpool FIOA request but if they hint at hearings I'm going to tell them and Cornyn a guy from California said they're fun so back off.

[Pavlov]

Heard an interesting theory from a guy who was familiar with drug-induced psychotic breaks, who says that the Las Vegas shooter may have had one, i.e. a reaction to a medication. It tends to be sudden, hard to spot, and keeps a lot of basic personality traits intact, such as an accountants, methodical, thorough planning.

Be interesting to see the coroners report.

That's a long term break. Only thing I heard he was prescribed was Valium.

[TSA]

This could be the biggest walkback in message board history.

Your whining convinced me to do nothing to touch your guns or mods. You told me they were fun so all the past and future deaths of all the schoolchildren and concert goers will be worth it.

Be happy.

Why do you about gun control and bumpfire stocks and then choose to do nothing about it? Serious question.