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    I think you have solved a puzzle. This must be why Pop keeps BP3 around.
    I have no idea why BP3 is in this team at this point. Forbes ate his cookies, Hilliard is getting called up and playing in games the minutes that BP3 could be playing and White eventually next season will get played... not sure if they still have him for a possible small trade or if that is wishful thinking.

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    I have no idea why BP3 is in this team at this point. Forbes ate his cookies, Hilliard is getting called up and playing in games the minutes that BP3 could be playing and White eventually next season will get played... not sure if they still have him for a possible small trade or if that is wishful thinking.
    I think it is to see if they can include him in a larger trade since they are close to the tax line. If the deadline passes I expect us to waive him and give the roster spot to a buyout player or a frontcourt G-league guy.

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    Don't know how credible the dude is. I'm guessing not very.


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    Agree he has been awful. Needs to retire if we are honest but he just gave an interview saying he wants to come back.
    Unless the Spurs make some compensatory splash with a trade or important FA signing, Tony's return would erode a considerable amount of my ebbing interest in the team. I have been a fan of his throughout his career, but it is clearly beyond his expiration date.

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    Unless the Spurs make some compensatory splash with a trade or important FA signing, Tony's return would erode a considerable amount of my ebbing interest in the team. I have been a fan of his throughout his career, but it is clearly beyond his expiration date.
    People thought that about Manu as well as he was pretty bad the past couple years. Now look at him this year. TP is coming off a major injury and still getting back into form and adjusting to a brand new role. A role in which he’s already shown some bright spots. Give it some time and relax.

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    Don't know how credible the dude is.

    Hmmm the magic had placed everyone else (Payton, Hezonja, Fournier, I have seen rumors that JSimms too) on trade but wanted to hold on to Gordon.

    They may have just decided he’s not a guy to build around and want to see what’s out there for him. Still he’s young and has improved. I’d hate for the Magic to trade Gordon like they did with Oladipo only to see him flourish elsewhere.

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    People thought that about Manu as well as he was pretty bad the past couple years. Now look at him this year. TP is coming off a major injury and still getting back into form and adjusting to a brand new role. A role in which he’s already shown some bright spots. Give it some time and relax.
    Haha. I am still mostly here. I have missed a couple of more games this season than I usually do. And my enthusiasm isn't nearly as high. Frankly, I could live with an also-ran team if there were something to really grab my interest. But there aren't really any individuals suited up that really pull me in. The old guys (Manu, Tony and Pau) all have games/moments that are very good/great and a young guy has a rare game that gets me fired up. But if all these guys weren't Spurs, I probably wouldn't watch many games. This new style of play is such a far cry from the equal opportunity ball movement game that the style of play coupled with no very exciting player is a tough sell to me. But I am still rooting for the team.

    I have always liked Tony. What he has done to get back on the court is impressive and laudable. And you correctly point out that he has had flashes in his new role. Perhaps he can improve next season. But with the plethora of smalls we have, some guys need to go. Tony doesn't really excite me any more, and he represents the past. It is past time that the Spurs moved onward. The perpetual "win-now" mode of the team has been justified by an incredible and really unparalleled level of sustained excellence for over 20 years. But I am doubtful that we are good enough today to legitimately justify that at ude.


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    Hmmm the magic had placed everyone else (Payton, Hezonja, Fournier, I have seen rumors that JSimms too) on trade but wanted to hold on to Gordon.

    They may have just decided he’s not a guy to build around and want to see what’s out there for him. Still he’s young and has improved. I’d hate for the Magic to trade Gordon like they did with Oladipo only to see him flourish elsewhere.
    I'd love to see him flourish in Silver & Black.

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    I think it is to see if they can include him in a larger trade since they are close to the tax line. If the deadline passes I expect us to waive him and give the roster spot to a buyout player or a frontcourt G-league guy.
    Yes. I think you are absolutely right; that's the plan.

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    I'd love to see him flourish in Silver & Black.

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    I have always liked Tony. What he has done to get back on the court is impressive and laudable. And you correctly point out that he has had flashes in his new role. Perhaps he can improve next season. But with the plethora of smalls we have, some guys need to go. Tony doesn't really excite me any more, and he represents the past. It is past time that the Spurs moved onward. The perpetual "win-now" mode of the team has been justified by an incredible and really unparalleled level of sustained excellence for over 20 years. But I am doubtful that we are good enough today to legitimately justify that at ude.

    Agreed with this paragraph. Indirectly the injuries this season have compelled Pop to develop young players. He hardly would have done as much with sop res this year unless he had to. I bet Forbes wouldn’t have played more games or real minutes than Kyle did last year when he was 11th or so in the rotation. Yet here we are, he has played the 5th most minutes in the team and could play more if Pop wasn’t set on playing entrenched guys like Tony and Patty.

    It’s tough to justify minutes for Tony when others are clearly shooting better and hustling more. The same goes for Patty except in his case he’s out there for shooting and when he’s off hhes terrible.
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    when someone says something like "give tony some time"
    time is his enemy

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    Phil Jackson is a great GM.

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    Phil Jackson is a great GM.
    forgot that was under his watch

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    There are at least 2 possible scenarios for the Spurs to create a max slot, if they need one.
    https://projectspurs.com/2018/01/18/...cap-situation/

    This article explains one possible way. Another would be by trading both Patty and Pau. A third one would be around trading Aldridge. Of course most scenarios involve renouncing everyone - Danny, Rudy, Parker, Bertans, Anderson, etc. It's doable and would be easier than for Houston, for example.
    I much prefer the Mills and Gasol route, allowing the Spurs to keep the bird rights to Anderson, and also still have the option of being able to resign Bertans, Green and Gay along with the MLE (tax payer)

    PG- Murray, Parker
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    SF-Lebron, Anderson
    PF- Leonard, Gay, Bertans
    C-Aldridge, Vet FA, 1st rounder


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    Saw a rumor earlier spurs are interested in trading for Stanley Johnson and Willy Hernangomez

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    Good deal for Boston. Monroe is not a game changer by any means but Boston only has baynes and no other decent bigs. Plus they cant score for outside of Kyrie.

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    Good for the Celtics they didn’t stand pat although they are at the top in the east and have Hayward injured. Didn’t get complacent and thought they were good enough as they were.

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    Saw a rumor earlier spurs are interested in trading for Stanley Johnson and Willy Hernangomez
    Please get Stanley Johnson!!!

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    People thought that about Manu as well as he was pretty bad the past couple years. Now look at him this year. TP is coming off a major injury and still getting back into form and adjusting to a brand new role. A role in which he’s already shown some bright spots. Give it some time and relax.
    To be fair, the two cir stances are totally different. Manu has always been and still is a + on the defensive end and in many other ways -- rebounds, blocks, steals, deflections, you name it.

    Manu has always been well rounded -- which has helped his longevity as an effective player ( like TD) .

    Tony on the other hand, has never been well rounded really. He had a 5 year stint where he was decent on defense, but the all around intangibles were never on Manu or Tims' level. For the past 6-8 years, his value has been solely based on the offensive end and now that he's not nearly as effective in that one aspect, he's not nearly as valuable anymore and I don't see how one can be optimistic about his future.
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    Those ers in Boston sure know their stuff. Must be nice.


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    good move by boston.

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    To be fair, the two cir stances are totally different. Manu has never been and still is a + on the defensive end and in many other ways -- rebounds, blocks, steals, deflections, you name it.

    Manu has always been well rounded. Tony on the other hand, has not. His value is solely based on the offensive end and now that he's not nearly as effective in that one aspect, he's not nearly as valuable anymore and I don't see how one can be optimistic about the future.

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