Brett Kavanaugh now under FBI investigation

[cd98]

what do you think of the Ed Whelan tweet, cd98?

I mentioned this on an earlier post. I thought it was wrong especially because he pointed the finger at a person that has not been named in the allegations and dragged him into the affair. I did see that he took down the post and apologized. Is that the explosive trump card that the GOP had? I don't know, but if it is, then I would say it fell flat.

That said, I don't think it pushes the narrative one way or the other. It was just a reckless attempt to get clear the name of his friend.

[DarrinS]

Trump's tweets today aren't helping, either. Just stop already.

[cd98]

The goal of the K opponents right now is to get Mark Judge in front of Democrat senators for questioning. They want desperately to be able to quote his book on camera. Then they can equate Kavanaugh with that hedonistic, misogynistic trope. Republicans want to keep him off the stand. This is, IMO, about that book.

Isn't that the same as trying to paint a woman as a liar about her sexual assault claim by painting a picture of her as a ? That said, it's an effective argument for convincing people that want to believe, and I agree that is the ploy.

[101A]

Trump's tweets today aren't helping, either. Just stop already.

Copy and paste this for just about any issue, any day. But he IS president. He obviously understands something about those tweets, and the buttons they press that we do not.

[101A]

Isn't that the same as trying to paint a woman as a liar about her sexual assault claim by painting a picture of her as a ? That said, it's an effective argument for convincing people that want to believe, and I agree that is the ploy.

It is similar, yes. I can't imagine, in any kind of setting, having my freaking best friend from high school on the stand, having written a book about high school experiences, testifying about ME?!?! that. I would not only not get confirmed for whatever, I'd probably get strung up, banished, tarred and feathered. Dumbass would get tripped up, turned around and tell EVERYTHING!!!

[101A]

It is similar, yes. I can't imagine, in any kind of setting, having my freaking best friend from high school on the stand, having written a book about high school experiences, testifying about ME?!?! that. I would not only not get confirmed for whatever, I'd probably get strung up, banished, tarred and feathered. Dumbass would get tripped up, turned around and tell EVERYTHING!!!

Should probably be an additional protection on the 5th amendment for this , tbh.

[Winehole23]

Seems legit. I'm convinced.

The doppelganger should testify.

[leemajors]

Trump's tweets today aren't helping, either. Just stop already.

He can't.

[cd98]

Trump's tweets today aren't helping, either. Just stop already.

I'm not a Trump fan and I generally assume his fumbling on twitter gets him in hot water. That said, I think that tweet is to his people. If Kavanaugh gets the swift boat, Trump is going to use the narrative that a good man that was innocent lost his confirmation because Democrats lied about him and defamed his character. It is a get out and vote message. I think if they have to jettison Kavanaugh, they'll nominate someone else in his place, probably one of the candidates that was on the short list, and then they'll accuse Democrats of dirty tricks, try and ram through the nominee, and try and use Kavanaugh as a rallying point for the base.

He's not speaking to the American people, he's speaking to his base.

[Winehole23]

It was just a reckless attempt to get clear the name of his friend.

Ed Whelan wrecked himself.

[Cry Havoc]

How many psych profs do you know? They're all nuts. But I've never met this particular one.

However, I'd be fine with the Kavanaugh nomination going down. We have NO diversity on the SC - at least the diversity that matters. EVERY justice is Ivy-league.

As Psych is my career, I am inclined to agree with you. But I think it's a lucid kind of insanity. Psychologists are aware of how crazy they (and by extension, we) all are. :P

Generally speaking though, she seems to be a very "above board" person. Never made waves until now. I actually have some very good friends that were in her class and they have nothing but the highest levels of praise for Dr. Ford.

[cd98]

Ed Whelan wrecked himself.

Agreed. It was a face plant.

[101A]

As Psych is my career, I am inclined to agree with you. But I think it's a lucid kind of insanity. Psychologists are aware of how crazy they (and by extension, we) all are. :P

Generally speaking though, she seems to be a very "above board" person. Never made waves until now. I actually have some very good friends that were in her class and they have nothing but the highest levels of praise for Dr. Ford.

Stopped reading at "As psych is my career...."

Noted.

[pgardn]

This twitter posting of Chris and others relying on for their arguments keeps backfiring.
Chris should just drop an anvil on his head.
This Ed Whelan character went so off course... but he apologized. Trumpers who make mistakes never apologize or admit their fanatical hallucinations are wildly WRONG.

This Mr. Ed went way off the rails. Did he have a stroke, booze, drugs, what? He used Fn Zillow to indentify the House This took place in to accuse someone with similar physical characteristics as K? And he has a following...

These absolutely absurd red team lunatics getting “famous” infamous. Go join Alex Jones in that corner Ed. The corner with crystals and heroine IV. Seriously, wtf...

[Winehole23]

Looks like Whelan did.

is that the way it works? if the tweet is deleted by the original poster the ST post containing it disappears?

we don't get the "this tweet is unavailable" caption?

[Cry Havoc]

Stopped reading at "As psych is my career...."

Noted.

Mmmkay.

[CosmicCowboy]

It will be interesting to see how this thing plays out. One thing I think is strange. Ford wants Kavanaugh to testify first. Why? That means he can't respond to her allegations. That feels like a set up and like it is a playbook from Democrats rather than a victim coming forward. I do not doubt that the allegations could be true. But therein lies the problem. The allegations could also be deemed well-crafted to hit Kavanaugh without having any evidence to back it up and then require him to prove a negative, which is impossible. Then, every action that Ford has taken has been in concert with the Democrats trying to stall the confirmation. It just looks more and more political, which makes me think more and more that it is a hoax.

We'll see what unfolds and whether Republicans have some trump card or not. But I've seen nothing to legitimize these claims to this point, and I think if something doesn't come by Monday, they should proceed to the confirmation. Ford has had her entire life since 15, but especially since July to gather cir stantial evidence and to name the unidentified girl and to identify the house or at least fill in the blank on who's house it was, who took her there, what she did after she left, etc. If you can't fill those essential terms, then you don't have a valid allegation and it should be ignored. You don't need the FBI to investigate for her to fill the gaps in her story.

The other clearly partisan demand was that they couldn't use outside council to question her. What difference does it make who questions her?

They want the television visual of the questioning being done by "old mean white Senators".

[Spurminator]

is that the way it works? if the tweet is deleted by the original poster the ST post containing it disappears?

we don't get the "this tweet is unavailable" caption?

I think so. It's sort of a live embed, so if it no longer exists on Twitter, it no longer exists here. I think the "likes/comments" count updates too.

[pgardn]

is that the way it works? if the tweet is deleted by the original poster the ST post containing it disappears?

we don't get the "this tweet is unavailable" caption?

Someone had to screen capture that .
It was drug induced.
Bizarre stuff like that does not come from rational vertebrates.

[pgardn]

The other clearly partisan demand was that they couldn't use outside council to question her. What difference does it make who questions her?

They want the television visual of the questioning being done by "old mean white Senators".

Absolutely. The people who are interested in her story and have the power of the vote surely produce the needed questions. Don’t they? They vote. If a quick follow up question is needed they just ask it, having the vote and all. They can get their staffers to give them a list to start with, but agility to produce their own questions after a particularly interesting question is powerful.

[cd98]

The Whelan tweet was way off and wrong.

But don't forget that "fellow student" facebook post that got a lot of play in a lot of media because she supported Ford. Then when she was showed simple contradictions between her story and what little we know of Ford's accusations, she deleted her posts. I think, in this information age, we always have to look at each claim with a grain of salt until we see something to back it up.

[Spurminator]

Ultimately I still don't see this going anywhere on the accusations of just one victim. It's he said / she said and unless there is a pattern of behavior established, I just don't think enough people will really care about this one alleged incident from almost 40 years ago.

I find Kavanaugh to be a poorly vetted selection for a number of other reasons. He's unpopular beyond precedent, too.

[baseline bum]

Ultimately I still don't see this going anywhere on the accusations of just one victim. It's he said / she said and unless there is a pattern of behavior established, I just don't think enough people will really care about this one alleged incident from almost 40 years ago.

I find Kavanaugh to be a poorly vetted selection for a number of other reasons. He's unpopular beyond precedent, too.

Kavanaugh is a great selection for Trump since he's about the most naked partisan we have seen nominated in a long time.

[cd98]

Ultimately I still don't see this going anywhere on the accusations of just one victim. It's he said / she said and unless there is a pattern of behavior established, I just don't think enough people will really care about this one alleged incident from almost 40 years ago.

I find Kavanaugh to be a poorly vetted selection for a number of other reasons. He's unpopular beyond precedent, too.

He's unpopular because he represents a shift in the court's ideology. Gorsuch replaced Scalia. That's ideology for ideology when it comes to being a textualist. No one really cried about that because it kept the traditional balance that the court has acted under for many years. But swapping Kennedy, a libertarian, with Kavanaugh represents a shift in the bench. That's always going to be unpopular because ultimately people want status quo. You elect a Republican president, and you see abortion rights popularity go high. You elect a Democrat as a president, and you see gun rights popularity go high. People fear a change to the status quo.

[cd98]

Kavanaugh is a great selection for Trump since he's about the most naked partisan we have seen nominated in a long time.

Kavanaugh is a Bush republican, not a Trump Republican. That's a big difference.