Official San Antonio Spurs 2021 Free Agency Discussion Thread

[bluebellmaniac]

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[objective]

That nbaSUPES Hawks guy or whatever is an example for some big misunderstandings in the conversations about the Spurs.

It's all on the word 'REBUILD'

To non Spurs fans, it just means not re-signing DeRozan, or Gay (or Mills) and then acting like it's some earthshaking news.

But Spurs fans after no extension for DeRozan and no playoffs had already baked that in. So to them rebuilding can mean moving on from everyone who's on a second contract like Murray and White and tanking

Rebuilding for the Spurs does not have to mean tanking and strip mining all value. They can rebuild by adding John Collins, and maneuvering 12 into a productive player.

[objective]

Presuming Butler's heart isn't projected to impact his career anytime soon, I'd be down with 21 and a flier on Knox (though I don't think the Knicks would do it).




I've long argued this.

In a vacuum, he was a good value pick at 29, has a decent contract and has worked his way into being a decent player.

In reality, good lucking finding a team who wants a so called "PG", who can't shoot or get to the line, is a sub par play maker and has delusions of grandeur. More than an undesirable archetype, virtually the an hesis of what teams are looking for.

Murray was also terrible at making post entry passes. Aldridge used to get mighty frustrated when he'd work his old ass off for position and have Murray unable to get him the ball, unlike White who could feed him in ways that led to easy scores.

[Dejounte]

Murray was also terrible at making post entry passes. Aldridge used to get mighty frustrated when he'd work his old ass off for position and have Murray unable to get him the ball, unlike White who could feed him in ways that led to easy scores.

I don’t care for Murray whether he goes or stays but I just want to point out that there’s an untrue statement (Murray not knowing how to do a post entry pass) in this post and probably indicative of someone who only watched the first half of the season.

Anyway, I look forward to eating my popcorn and reading people moan about Murray still being here next season.

[K...]

you don't trade murray for a late pick, it wont get value, but trading him for a flawed role player that intrigues the spurs or the right veteran to replace gay and mills? People just love to say killing derozan was addition through subtraction, but the same applies to murray, the trade would allow white, jones, and vassel to get more minutes and add a depth quality role player in the trade.

[objective]

I don’t care for Murray whether he goes or stays but I just want to point out that there’s an untrue statement (Murray not knowing how to do a post entry pass) in this post and probably indicative of someone who only watched the first half of the season.

Anyway, I look forward to eating my popcorn and reading people moan about Murray still being here next season.

Well, Aldridge didn't play the second half of the season so I don't think I missed any great improvements to Murray feeding him the ball.

I think he has flaws, but I'm not on a crusade to see him moved, so there probably won't be any anti Murray moaning from me.

[talkspurs]

Although the input of fans give a sense of what value a player gives to their team, in the end it doesn’t matter since it’s the front office who pulls off the trades. What’s probably more important is knowing the team you follow and I think many people forget how the Spurs are run: risk averse, values continuity, doesn’t make big splashes.

I agree with what you say but you missed the point I was making. It would apply to GMs as well. If Spurs value a player higher then other teams do then no trade is made. We saw this last year with LMA and DDR.

[talkspurs]

Because "value" is a bull concept. You don't win games by having more "value" than the other team. (In my opinion) the Spurs should trade Murray because developing around White, Vassell and Johnson as the perimeter unit with a strong PF (doesn't have to be Collins as there are other options) gives the Spurs a balanced roster on both ends while also letting their young perimeter players grow in an environment that's conducive to development of good habits. I don't believe that will exist with Murray, White and Johnson all as key perimeter players, and I'm concerned that Murray in particular won't let himself be the role-player he actually is He's become too entrenched in the team's iden y for his talent level.



You have to be willing to cycle players when you rebuild rather than just let them sit there and age. The team needs to be aggressive in leveraging the value they have toward that goal, so moving Murray makes more sense than moving White (who's actually way better than Murray -- like to a point where I don't think ST really understands), Walker (who has no trade value and is already on the bench) or Johnson (who plays a different position that only conflicts with Murray in the sense that both primary score by driving). Could you trade White and have a lot of the same flexibility? Yes, but I think the team now and in the future would be worse.

Obviously PATFO might see it differently, but I disagree with them and then them considering Murray the core when he's so obviously (in my opinion) not is one of the main things holding back the team.

So you can win by pure talent that is what these super teams are trying to do. You can also win by having a team that plays the best together. Your best chance is to have both. DJM and KJ I think are the two most talented players on the Spurs and with Demar gone I think you will see them improve this year. White has shown lots of growth as well but I think is closet to his peak but is the oldest and has injury issues.

I dont deny you have to be willing to cycle players through but you have to be willing to cycle the right players through. This is why last season I was already saying Walker should be traded why he had some value.

[Teamduncan21]

That nbaSUPES Hawks guy or whatever is an example for some big misunderstandings in the conversations about the Spurs.

It's all on the word 'REBUILD'

To non Spurs fans, it just means not re-signing DeRozan, or Gay (or Mills) and then acting like it's some earthshaking news.

But Spurs fans after no extension for DeRozan and no playoffs had already baked that in. So to them rebuilding can mean moving on from everyone who's on a second contract like Murray and White and tanking

Rebuilding for the Spurs does not have to mean tanking and strip mining all value. They can rebuild by adding John Collins, and maneuvering 12 into a productive player.

If we follow what he said (assuming it's true) spurs are not going after collins

[CGD]

^this guy didn’t get anything right during the trade deadline. I remember his words because I posted them. The dude is a conman.

To be fair, intel in this business goes stale quick. So he could both have an inside track, and be “wrong” within a week.

I will say his instincts, whether based on intel or tea leaf reading, are good. The Bridge’s thing makes sense, for example.

[Dejounte]

[SAGirl]

John Collins is younger than Chris Duarte-- that's kind of incredible. Not a qualitative assessment at all, just an observation. Collins has gotten paid pretty well for four years already, and is about to get a gigantic pay raise, and Duarte is looking for his first rookie scale paycheck.

That puts Duarte in perspective for me more than it does Collins. Collins still has upside obviously.

[buttsR4rebounding]

That puts Duarte in perspective for me more than it does Collins. Collins still has upside obviously.

Duarte should have just become a free agent. He is past draft age so he could have just signed as a free agent with a team. Dumb ass agent.

[rankingtear]

Duarte should have just become a free agent. He is past draft age so he could have just signed as a free agent with a team. Dumb ass agent.

Not true.

[exstatic]

Duarte should have just become a free agent. He is past draft age so he could have just signed as a free agent with a team. Dumb ass agent.

Because of Covid-19, all Seniors were given one extra year of eligibility, and so they HAD to either declare for the draft, or return to school. Think of them as 4th year Juniors, if that helps.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Because of Covid-19, all Seniors were given one extra year of eligibility, and so they HAD to either declare for the draft, or return to school. Think of them as 4th year Juniors, if that helps.

Players over 22 don’t need to submit to the draft. Even with an extra year he is still 24. How is he required to be drafted? If he was playing in Europe he wouldn’t even be eligible for the draft if I understand the rules.

[rankingtear]

Players over 22 don’t need to submit to the draft. Even with an extra year he is still 24. How is he required to be drafted? If he was playing in Europe he wouldn’t even be eligible for the draft if I understand the rules.

International Pro + 22 = auto added to draft pool

[Chinook]

Players over 22 don’t need to submit to the draft. Even with an extra year he is still 24. How is he required to be drafted? If he was playing in Europe he wouldn’t even be eligible for the draft if I understand the rules.

That's never been the way it worked. If you're American or go to an university, you count as a domestic player, and you're only automatically eligible after your senior year. That's the reason why guys like White had to be drafted.

[CGD]

Damn they murdered him. At least it wasn’t a reference to the passed up dunk.

[SAGirl]

You don’t know hard times brother. Hard times is when your GM picks up a $24 million dollar option only to waive that very player 4 months later. Hard times is watching your starting center not be able to post up Ja Morant, or any other point guard, 3 feet from the basket, shoot 18% from the foul line and the complain that he is underpaid. Hard times is watching your starting point guard, shooting guard, and small forward pass the ball away like they were passing around a Kardashian every time they had a wide open 3. Hard times is having to watch your hall of fame badass of a coach suck up and kiss ass to possibly the worst “star player” he has ever coached bc otherwise he will have to drive to Jack in the Box at 3:00 in the morning, order the Munchy meal and use it to entice Demar to come back home. And finally, hard times is watching Bryn Forbes playing in the ing finals while our sorry ass team can’t even make the playoffs. And now we want to trade Derrick White??? THAT’S HARD TIMES BROTHER

oooffff! I had forgotten about Lamarcus team option. Thanks

[exstatic]

You don’t know hard times brother. Hard times is when your GM picks up a $24 million dollar option only to waive that very player 4 months later. Hard times is watching your starting center not be able to post up Ja Morant, or any other point guard, 3 feet from the basket, shoot 18% from the foul line and the complain that he is underpaid. Hard times is watching your starting point guard, shooting guard, and small forward pass the ball away like they were passing around a Kardashian every time they had a wide open 3. Hard times is having to watch your hall of fame badass of a coach suck up and kiss ass to possibly the worst “star player” he has ever coached bc otherwise he will have to drive to Jack in the Box at 3:00 in the morning, order the Munchy meal and use it to entice Demar to come back home. And finally, hard times is watching Bryn Forbes playing in the ing finals while our sorry ass team can’t even make the playoffs. And now we want to trade Derrick White??? THAT’S HARD TIMES BROTHER

It was actually 16 months later. His contract for 20-21 was guaranteed in Oct of 2019, coming off an All Star season. There was no option.

[Dejounte]

Per the athletic this morning:

Across the league, many believe Hawks forward/center John Collins increased his value as a maximum contract-caliber player during Atlanta’s run to the Eastern Conference finals. In 18 postseason games, Collins averaged 13.9 points, 8.7 rebounds and 35.7 percent 3-point shooting.
Dallas, Miami, San Antonio and Minnesota are among the teams expected to show interest in Collins, believing he could be attainable as a restricted free agent, sources said. Hawks owner Tony Ressler said after the season that he hoped the team reached a “fair agreement” with Collins. Will the sides find that threshold?

Let all the false hope begin

[TheGreatYacht]

Pop can’t coach a team with Durant, Lillard, and Tatum past Patty Mills close this thread down, it doesn’t matter what scrub signs here as long as the senile dumbass is still here

[XDT76]

Per the athletic this morning:

Across the league, many believe Hawks forward/center John Collins increased his value as a maximum contract-caliber player during Atlanta’s run to the Eastern Conference finals. In 18 postseason games, Collins averaged 13.9 points, 8.7 rebounds and 35.7 percent 3-point shooting.
Dallas, Miami, San Antonio and Minnesota are among the teams expected to show interest in Collins, believing he could be attainable as a restricted free agent, sources said. Hawks owner Tony Ressler said after the season that he hoped the team reached a “fair agreement” with Collins. Will the sides find that threshold?

Let all the false hope begin

13.9 and 8.7 is a max contract calibre player?

[EricB]

13.9 and 8.7 is a max contract calibre player?

whos 23 and improving day by day? Yes