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    If the Bulls had done what you're suggesting they never would have been able to get Pippen. If the Lakes had done that they would have missed out on Magic. If GS had done that they would have missed out on Thompson. I'm not disagreeing with your initial principle. We're not a huge FA draw and we're going to have to give up something at some point and go all in, but it's premature to do that right now. Wemby's own comments to the media recently show that he has patience and is willing to wait. Maybe you should consider following his lead.

    The answer to our problem is not to blow our metaphorical load to get Dame right now. If we do that we don't touch the finals, he is diminishing returns, in 4 years he's 36 and we're locked into $60 million his final year crippling our cap space, and just as Wemby is in full stride we'll be wheeling out the corpse of Dame time with no money to sign anyone else because of his money and the rookie max extension we give Wemby. That's not a position you want to be in.

    The answer is to wait 2-3 years, get some quality lottery picks, use your draft capital to go after whatever disgruntled star wants out then, max out Wemby, get some quality rotation players, and run it with your dynamic duo, quality veterans, and solid lottery picks on rookie scale contracts.
    The Lakers did do that. They traded the farm for Jabbar.

    the hypothetical is that Jordan finds his Pippen earlier than the age of 28.

    I didn’t say anything about changing what GS did. I’m saying the Spurs can still follow that model because they would have their first and second star, while trying to get their third like the GS did with Draymond.

    Wemby’s comments have more been aligned with winning now. I find it ridiculous that people think we’re still going to get a top 5ish picks for a year or two more. Those days are over.

    also, folks have said that Dame’s contract ends at the right time to where it does not hamper any of our future plans.

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    More excited about the possibility of participating in the Lillard deal than actually getting Lillard.

    With that said, I think Dame is the type of guy (like Bron) who will still be playing at a high level at 36 years old. The price tag is just steeeeeeep. I wouldn’t be mad if we ended up with Dame (especially if we only lose Devin, CHA, and CHI picks) - but it’s not my preferred outcome.

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    And thank you NBA Free Agency for resulting in more airtime for Mikala Andrews. Smoke show.

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    It would be pretty funny if Dame ends up on the Spurs after Aldridge made that move in free agency in 2015. The Spurs would get booed every game in Portland for the rest of time.

    As for my personal feelings on a potential Spurs trade for Dame, I'm torn. Wemby wants to win now and Dame was fantastic last year. Dame's contract isn't nearly as onerous as some think: Dame's 4 years remaining coincide with Wemby's rookie contract, and we have seen that having lots of cap space is somewhat overrated. It's easy to say "omg 60 million in 2026-2027!" but that will only be 1/3 of the cap by then.

    The real tipping point for me is Dame's age. If he was 30 this would be a slam dunk. With him at 32 it's more iffy, even though his primary skill is something that tends to age well.

    Overall I'm actually in favor of trading for Dame. He's a fantastic player at the position of greatest need and makes the Spurs instant playoff contenders. But I don't think it's a 100% no-brainer.

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    Knicks are finalizing trade to send F Obi Toppin to the Pacers for two future second-round picks, sources tell ESPN. Deal gives Toppin an opportunity to play a more significant role in Indiana and stacks up more draft assets for New York. Deal can’t be completed until Thursday.

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    There goes Reaves.


    RFA Austin Reaves has agreed to return to the Los Angeles Lakers on a four-year, $56 million Early Bird maximum contract, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Agents Aaron Reilly and Reggie Berry of AMR Agency negotiated the new deal to keep Reaves in L.A. long term.

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    It would be pretty funny if Dame ends up on the Spurs after Aldridge made that move in free agency in 2015. The Spurs would get booed every game in Portland for the rest of time.

    As for my personal feelings on a potential Spurs trade for Dame, I'm torn. Wemby wants to win now and Dame was fantastic last year. Dame's contract isn't nearly as onerous as some think: Dame's 4 years remaining coincide with Wemby's rookie contract, and we have seen that having lots of cap space is somewhat overrated. It's easy to say "omg 60 million in 2026-2027!" but that will only be 1/3 of the cap by then.

    The real tipping point for me is Dame's age. If he was 30 this would be a slam dunk. With him at 32 it's more iffy, even though his primary skill is something that tends to age well.

    Overall I'm actually in favor of trading for Dame. He's a fantastic player at the position of greatest need and makes the Spurs instant playoff contenders. But I don't think it's a 100% no-brainer.
    Exactly this. I’m not exactly 100% on board but it is appalling that there are folks who aren’t at least open to the idea, while providing concerns that aren’t even valid.

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    But you don't understand bro... Wemby is already in talks with the Lakers about leaving.

    Didn't we have a cliffjumpers thread back in the days? Gonna need to necro that .
    Sigh. Weak that completely misses the context of my post. I merely stated he has a fascination with them as evidenced by volunteering that he wanted to play against their FURKING SUMMER LEAGUE TEAM.

    The Spurs can either help nurture that fascination by idiotic decisions such that when he has the ability to leave, in his prime at age 26, he will. Or....and hear me out here...we can show him we ain't ing around and are all about doing and spending what we need to win. He's made that very clear.

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    I would actually be interested in Lillard if he didn't have those last two absurd years of his contract (and they didn't have to give up much). But he's clearly going to Miami anyway.

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    Reaves has resigned with LA for 4/56.

    Regardless of what you think of Reaves… he should fire his agent.

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    The Hornets are strongly considering an offer sheet to Celtics restricted free agent Grant Williams, sources told @hoopshype. Williams has also received interest from the Mavericks. Charlotte is also in discussions with its restricted free agent PJ Washington on a possible deal.

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    Knicks are finalizing trade to send F Obi Toppin to the Pacers for two future second-round picks, sources tell ESPN. Deal gives Toppin an opportunity to play a more significant role in Indiana and stacks up more draft assets for New York. Deal can’t be completed until Thursday.
    dammit, we needed those 2nds

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    Well, with Reaves being gone it's either an offer for McDaniels or Spurs are going to be in a trade.

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    Wemby said he wants to win soon, not win now. And he will win soon.

    It’s Spurstalk posters that want to win now, because many of us have the attention spans of gnats.

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    ing steal for the Lakers

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    Reaves has resigned with LA for 4/56.

    Regardless of what you think of Reaves… he should fire his agent.
    What was his agent supposed to do? Suck off Brian Wright to try to get a contract?

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    Welp, there goes that pipe dream. At least it won't drag on until the 6th.

    I'm surprised his agents wanted their names in that tweet. Embarrassing job on their part.

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    Reaves at $52M/4 is a steal of a deal. Spurs should’ve offered him $80M+ just to with the lakers, knowing they’d match regardless. Lame.

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    Yeah Reaves for $14MM a year is a great deal.

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    A year from now we're going to be like, "Austin Reaves who? Oh, that guy."

    Just a part-time one-week obsession.

    Gonna say it: I'd rather take Cedi Osman for one year at $7 million than have to pay Austin Reaves $25 million for four years.

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    Reaves has resigned with LA for 4/56.

    Regardless of what you think of Reaves… he should fire his agent.
    I'm ashamed of the front office that they didn't make the Lakers bleed their own blood. Should have sent him an offer sheet at 4/100. Shame.

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    A year from now we're going to be like, "Austin Reaves who? Oh, that guy."

    Just a part-time one-week obsession.

    Gonna say it: I'd rather take Cedi Osman for one year at $7 million than have to pay Austin Reaves $25 million for four years.
    I’d rather take Cedi for one year and the Lakers paying Reaves $25 million.

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    Reaves has resigned with LA for 4/56.

    Regardless of what you think of Reaves… he should fire his agent.
    Expect Reaves to suddenly have new lucrative endorsements contracts...

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    I told you guys Reaves was a waste of time and Spurs FO knew that.

    you guys trying to make points about “screwing the Lakers” wanted to play like middle school children. Spurs don’t operate that way. Sorry not sorry.

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