since this trade would benefit the Knick's payroll in the long run, I think this scenario is allowed for Isiah.
Pavlovic has shown some real ability of late and Cleveland should be able to parlay his success into a deal for Atkins, Knight, or a PG of that calibur. In a recent article it was quoted that Varejao would only be moved for a big fish....that means his future is in Cleveland.
See your point and think he might make the call, but what would the Spurs incentive be to make the deal? Barry is a productive member of the squad and has a short-term contract. I think the Spurs would ask for another piece in the deal, and I'm not sure who that would be.
On no account will the Spurs take on salary beyond next year. Only in minor dashes, as far as we're understanding.
Pavlovic will only be moved for a quality player or a desperate need. I don't think they are desperate enough yet to trade him for an Atkins/Knight caliber of PG. Those are extreme PG's (scoring/passing). I think a more complete, well rounded PG would be needed to make that deal.
don't know. it is right that what else would be attractive on their roster (Lee, Frye) even Isiah wouldn't be stupid enough to trade away. Balkman? maybe. Collins might have some upside for the future.
Balkman fits the defensive mentality, and I know Collins had a decent game against the Spurs a while back, but I don't see either as worthy of a guaranteed three year deal (both were 1st round picks if I'm not mistaken) and/or worth taking on Jeffries' salary. The one wildcard is Nate Robinson, though I think he'd drive Pop to insanity....
Agree with Mr. Body though, any long term deal for significant dollars is highly unlikely.
Mullin Comfortable Making Another Blockbuster
20th February, 2007 - 11:56 am
Contra Costa Times -
On Monday, Chris Mullin said he'd be comfortable making another trade, even one as large as the eight-player deal the Warriors and Pacers completed last month.
"I think right now we've got a group of guys who all want to stay here," Richardson said. "They all want to see this thing turned around."
A couple of proposals from the RealGM boards,
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=628635
Net deal for Spurs
Spurs In - James Singleton, Indiana 2nd (2007)
Spurs Out - Udrih, MIL 2nd (2007)
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=628791
Spurs In - Singleton, Korolev
Spurs Out - Oberto
Does not consider who Spurs would need to cut for a roster spot...
Pacers don't have a 2nd this year.
And neither addresses back up PG. Granted Vaughn played okay in the last couple games, but not having a third option is just stupid when the #2 guy is Vaughn.
Still a big proponent of
Atkins for Oberto + Udrih
Unless the Spurs get a guy like Maggette (which is looking bleaker by the day...though you never know), I think the Spurs can sign a Korolev-type in the off-season for little to no money....or they could draft a SF/PF type.
Here is a cool tool to check if your trade ideas will work...
sorry if already posted but I didnt see it in here.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trademachine
I really like the Korolev & Singleton trade...helps us in areas of big concern..rebounding & long SF...if anything I would like the Spurs to look at bringing in both of the guys for next year. Korolev is a FA & there is conflicting info on whether Singleton is a FA next year or has 1 year left.
Taking it backwards - signing or drafting a SF/PF type in the offseason does nothing for us this season. Getting a backup PG would be nice, but the proposed options (other than Mardy Collins from the Knicks, which is a pipe dream) are all this season solutions. My judgement says that the wing is a more important problem than the PG spot. I think Vaughn and then Barry at backup PG, is solid enough that I would want to get some rebounding at the 3 and offer another option for small-ball PF (rather than Finley). If I can do both, great. But if I have to chose one, I get an SF.
A solution to both our issues was posted a while back
SA In - Atkins, Singleton
SA out - Udrih, Oberto
Mem in - Oberto
Mem Out - Atkins
LAC In - Udrih
LAC Out - Singleton, Paul Davis
Alternatively
SA In - Atkins, Singleton
SA out - Udrih, Oberto
Mem in - Korolev (or A Williams), Udrih
Mem Out - Atkins
LAC in - OBerto
LAC Out - Singleton, Korolev (or A Williams)
Either would require use of 2nd round picks to balance it (I would not advocate using our 1st).
I might suggest our own pick to LAC, the conditional Bulls pick to Mem (I believe they a) want to cut salary, which Oberto for Atkins does, and b) Jerry West supposedly likes Oberto).
Pad,
I'll say it again. If the Spurs trade for Singleton or Korolev they do not see the light of day, let alone time on the court. IMO, no one, outside of Maggette, will unseat Finley as the small ball 4 option this season. Pop will not play a "rookie" type over Finley...he just won't. So why give up anything to get a player now that will absolutely not help this season?
It's better to address a need that can be resolved with immediate impact....like backup PG.
Atkins, Dixon, and Knight would all get PT because they are veterans and there is a need at backup PG. They can all play alongside Tony as well in a small guard lineup....and best of all, they can all be had for a price.
Singleton & Korolev would be a move for the future. Nobody we get is going to unseat Finley(short of Maggette). We could potentially solve 2 problems with very little money(risk) by getting Korolev & Singleton.
If you can make a move for the future with only peripheral players, you have to do it. Overhauling this team will take at least two summers and they might as well start now. Having a young athlete on the bench for the playoffs can't hurt, either.
Doubt the Clippers give up Singleton and Korolev for Oberto....and then there's the question of who you cut (current full roster).
If you wanted Korolev, you could actually just sign him in the off-season without giving up Oberto.
Ok I'll concede...can anyone tell me if the Spurs can trade Oberto for Korolev straight up and get under the lux tax threshold at the same time?
Yeah, in YOUR opinion.
1) You think Pop is completely stupid. I think Pop is conservative. There is a difference. For example, TP saw play and started over a veteran (Antonio Daniels) in his 1st year. Manu saw some play (1432 minutes) over veterans in his 1st year. They were qualitatively better than the alternatives. Singleton is qualitatively better than Finley at small ball PF.
2) Korolev wouldn't see play time, your right. I'm not in it for Korolev. I want Singleton. Korolev RBR in the NBA 2006 - 5.9 (over 128 min), 2007 - 9.9 (over 17 min) . Singleton RBR in the NBA 2006 - 15.1 (over 758 min), 2007 - 15.5 (over 258 min). Singleton would be the 4th best rebounder on the Spurs (After Tim, Oberto, Elson) from the SF spot. Finley RBR 2007 - 8.2 (1116 min). If Tim is playing C, our critical needs are rebounding and D from our small ball PF. We have got Tim, Tony and Manu to do the scoring...
Let's just call it what it is...difference of opinion. Too bad we won't get to prove eachother right or wrong....this deal won't get done.
Barry + Butler for Cassell + Korolev
Beno>Cassell
If we somehow got Juan Dixon, I have faith in our le-chances again. He can go off any given night for 30.
Ely should be the good gap at the backup PF spot, but I'd still like a young forward.
dixon is a sg, not a pg.
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