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First you say we are free to choose our own paths. Next you state that there really isn't a choice after all.
So what is it?
You just basically said faith in Bible God is not logical.
I agree.
First you say we are free to choose our own paths. Next you state that there really isn't a choice after all.
So what is it?
Atheists like myself and Blake are good people without the incentive of reward or consequence of punishment. We aren't making the decision to do the right thing because some man in the clouds is playing Santa.
Stop posting on this thread. Let it die. How many times do you and heart have to get spanked by logic? You're obviously too close minded to even research the other side of the argument... or maybe them maths and science lectures be too hard to understand for you two to follow.
Why did God create ?
lol audienceYou should consider taking a class on Christian and Jewish scripture classes. You will understand why God seems to be vindictive and vengeful in one instance but all-forgiving in others. There's a very good reason for it.
It all has to do with the audience.
Why did he allow children to be killed by bears because they called a prophet "baldy"?
The concept of a fiery, eternal damnation is an awesome motivational tool preachers use to put butts in the pews and money in the plate.People are all motivated by different things. Some respond to threats and the fear of being sent to while others are motivated by the rewards of Heaven. The disciples knew this and used stories that would reach their audience accordingly.
Define two things for me: Infinity, and number. Now tell me if you can use both together as you did above.
Once you define any negative number, however "infinitely" large, it becomes determinate. One can eventually reach zero from any determined quan y.
Its a matter of basic motion tbh. Assuming a constant velocity, this apparent paradox is quite simple to unravel. Sure the distance interval may be infinitely halved, so too is the time interval needed to reach each one.
Thus, time approaches zero in the infinite regress limit. We lack the ability to perceive such short intervals.
Blake nailed it tbh.So you are admitting God is illogical.
Great logic in believing in something illogical.
I personally feel that believing in something without proof is illogical.
If you don't feel the same, more power to you.
If there is proof you don't have to believe in it, you would know it. Again, it would be science not faith.Blake nailed it tbh.
I personally feel that believing in something without proof is illogical.
If you don't feel the same, more power to you.
You may believe that god doesn't exist, but without proof you can't say with 100% of certainty that that is true. That would be illogical.
It's obviously not logical for those that need physical proof, proof that you can see. I don't need that type of proof to have my Faith, I don't care what your or anybody else says about that in the least bit. You still don't understand because you refuse to, somehow you find it offensive and it shows. tmtcsc NAILED it perfectly in his post above, but instead you and others like proxy are so quick to come in and all over it. What's the matter, do the words he posted bother you so much, you scared of something? Are you scared that he could be right? Are you scared how your life may change if you accept the Truth? If you are so confident in your own beliefs, you don't need trash others.
The science "talk" of this whole thread is completely beyond what matters in what I state above ^. Interesting read sure, but at the end of the day it's all theory and conjecture. It stimulates some brain cells but does nothing for the soul.
It's two different things. You have a choice of whether to believe or not. Right ? No one is pointing a gun at your head.
You and the other atheists in here have made up your mind that you don't believe in God. Going by the vitriol that's been spewed about for the faithful and God, I'm pretty sure the atheists posting in this thread aren't changing their minds. So be it. YOUR CHOICE.
When you pass on to the after-life and realize you are wrong, I believe you will have a chance to see the error of your ways and accept or deny God's love at that point. If even then you don't want any part of God, you'll have your way.
That was the point, genius.
Congrats on understanding what I was saying. If the past if infinitely old, you can't get to the present. If it is finite (numerably) old, you can.Once you define any negative number, however "infinitely" large, it becomes determinate. One can eventually reach zero from any determined quan y.
BL
With no clear explanation in the Bible, but by looking at the Bible as a whole - I'd say that God chose not to destroy the souls of his creation and why would he then force those people to spend eternity with him? That would go against free will.
Personally, I believe that the use of fire in describing is used as a metaphor. is also described as darkness and if there is fire, how would there be darkness? I also believe the purpose of this language is not meant to be a threat, but a warning to those that choose not to believe that an eternity apart from God will be very miserable (gnashing of teeth, etc.) You can argue that just being wiped out from existence is better than eternal punishment, but some will argue back that having an existence is better than none - no matter what the cir stance.
As far as the bears and the 42 children - any judgement that's shown in the Bible can probably be second guessed depending on your opinion. Even though this isn't an example of God making a direct judgement on his people, but it was God allowing one of his prophets to make that judgement and giving him the power to do so.
I believe God was more severe in his punishments in the Old Testament because he was more obvious to his people at that time through direct communication with them through his prophets. Rebellion was tolerated for the most part, but there are a few examples where the rebellion was dealt with for the purpose of saving others in the long run.
I don't know the mind of God obviously, but in order to believe in a righteous God and an all knowing God, I'm inclined to believe that a God that can create the universe and that knows our thoughts is also able to make judgements there are overall better for the good of humanity.
Obviously Tim believes in God as he prayed for the return Jax.
Proxy, you really are an ass. And no, you are not good people. You're a prick. You insult and mock people for their belief in God. Not that being in the minority means you are wrong, but Atheists represent only about 3 % of the people on the planet. Good for you smart guy.
You seem to maintain this false assertion that those who believe in God are stupid, uneducated and lacking common sense. That somehow believing in God is akin to believing in tooth fairies, wizards, gods of greek mythology, Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny. That's a bunch of BS and highly insulting.
You're the one who needs to give up on this thread. You have utterly failed.
Applying your limited knowledge of science, philosophy and logic to this discussion is worthless. You have no grasp of spirituality.
You've failed to state your case in a bunch of related topics such as the existence of God, the place for organized religion/dogma in the modern world, the origins of the universe, etc. and your weak ass efforts are boring and tiresome.
Give me some formulas for human spirit or happiness. Can math prove they exist ? Are you going to delve in to biology, philosophy or physics to come up with your answer for kindness ?
Is it logical to sacrifice your life to save someone else? For you, No. In your case, it means your existence would be over. Your ability to pro-create and further advance your understanding is over. It goes against logic. Does that make it unbelievable or wrong to do it? Does that mean it doesn't happen.
You can't explain love to someone who's never felt it, just like you can't explain God to someone who is unwilling to believe or listen.
You're a black hole. May Zeus bless you and keep you safe from the Boogie man. May you a role a 10 for charisma the next time you play Dungeons and Dragons and finally May the Force be with you.
Nobody can currently be 100% certain about how the universe came to be, but I am 100% certain the God of the Bible is a bull legend.
lol
I haven't trashed anyone in particular. Sorry my personal views cause your butt to hurt.
He created man to begin with without asking permission, ftr.
The next step in your logic is to conclude there is no free will in heaven.
What Jesus would want you to post
That's quite laughable...lol
I haven't trashed anyone in particular. Sorry my personal views cause your butt to hurt.
Your first comment is asinine and worse. You should be embarrassed.
Actually there probably is free will in heaven, remember the whole Lucifer thing?! There is probably a whole more to that story than we know TBH.
Yeah I know, I was just throwing all the "going to come up in this thread" things into one statement.
Define two things for me: Infinity, and number. Now tell me if you can use both together as you did above.
Once you define any negative number, however "infinitely" large, it becomes determinate. One can eventually reach zero from any determined quan y.
Its a matter of basic motion tbh. Assuming a constant velocity, this apparent paradox is quite simple to unravel. Sure the distance interval may be infinitely halved, so too is the time interval needed to reach each one.
Thus, time approaches zero in the infinite regress limit. We lack the ability to perceive such short intervals.
Agreed. Message board butthurt usually is.
I don't think it's illogical if you believe something you cannot prove, but if you believe something that has not been proven to you, you are delusional, not illogical. If you're delusional, it's logical that you would believe something without evidence.Blake nailed it tbh.
I personally feel that believing in something without proof is illogical.
If you don't feel the same, more power to you.
Also, BL is a language arts teacher with a degree in bible studies who writes paperback science fiction books. If you try to discuss physics with him, you will get bombarded with high school level understanding of science, websites and Wiki references and lots of intellectual whoopass.
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I have, "a limited understanding of knowledge of science, philosophy and logic"... sure, I won't disagree with you there.
Grasp of spirituality? Well, I'm a strong believer in the majority of what Buddhism teaches. (Unfortunately, I have a hard time keeping a Buddhist mentality with people on this board) If you were to read up on teachings by the Dalai Lama, you would notice that Buddhism and Atheism don't contradict... and I'll tell you that reincarnation is not what you think it is before you jump to some reason to try and prove otherwise.
Another part of this 'spirituality' you speak of... is understanding human psychology. Understand the limited knowledge we have of how our brain works... understanding why you feel a certain way. Happiness, sadness... just because I understand how and why they work, doesn't make them any less real to me than they do as mysterious workings of some inner soul to you.
What I assume of Christians is that they are scared of truth. They display this behavior with their lack of wanting to understand. Because they lack the will to understand, their general psyche is that of contentment with this world; I am not. They usually respond with anger and stubbornness to read what is in front of them, and this thread is a great example.
Then again, I understand that giving in to supers ion is a part of your evolutionary path that protects you from feeling worthless. Feeling worthless without God isn't something easy to grasp and get over... but a person makes his own purpose. Not some omnipotent deity. Saying God is responsible for so much in this universe is just a sign of immaturity in not taking responsibility and control of your own life.
Let me say, you are assuming a load about me. Sacrificing myself for someone else? Just as hard of a decision for me as it would be for you. It actually can stand a test of logic... but to you, I'm a robot. Couldn't be further from the truth.
PS - I've most of my life believing in God... so I wouldn't exaclty say I'm unwilling to listen or believe. I gave dogma it's chance. Why don't you humor me and do the same in opposite fashion?
I don't believe in "god of the bible" either, but that god is just one of the possibilities. And I think that people who believes in "god of the bible" aren't exactly logical so it's pretty stupid to try to use logic to convince them that they're wrong.
I would say that a delusional person is someone who believes in something that is unlikely to be true or that has been proven not to be true. Believing in something that has no evidence supporting it or against it, doesn't make a person delusional.
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